A First- I am the only member on the forum .. weird!

[musicbooks]

spooky moment

[simonbarnett]

Someone had to reply to tom's lonely cry

[flecc]

Originally Posted by musicbooks

spooky moment

How do you think I felt when I made the first ever post when the forum opened?

Now that was loneliness.
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[keithhazel]

only me and Flecc on, i know the game, you are waiting for me to go so you can say you are the only one on...lol....well im going nowhere matey..lol...

[bersh]

While you guys are flouting England's great code breaker history (I refer to the lonliness of not being understood), I will address this to FLECC, but others may wish to join in. I am getting close to my one year anniversary of Ezee Quando II, and want to know what Flecc has decided to do with the one he altered to have 7 gears? I want that machine because it would solve the problem of San Francisco's hills. How much would it cost including shipping (New York City, not San Francisco?)

I like my Quando's acceleration, and foldability. Is there any comparable machine out there with gears and foldability (beside's Fleccs aberation)and maybe a better LI or whatever battery, because my Quando does not like to go without me peddling?

[flecc]

Hi Bersh

I'm still using the Q bike and on it twice a day most days, so that won't be available. However, there have been some big steps forward on the batteries.

The current one is much better than the one you have, but I'd advise you to wait a little longer as there is an even better one due very soon. It's from the same source as ones we already know to be very reliable on other bikes and I'm confident it will not give you the same trouble.

Following on from that are even better prototypes for the future which refuse to ever show the red LED on a battery meter until the battery is almost empty, no matter how high the loading or steep the hill.

So starting shortly, the future is bright for years of use from your bike. I will keep you informed when the next one becomes available.

There still no other bikes to match the Quando's power and climb ability, it being an odd one out in the market, though there are plenty with enough gears for you, but much less power.

As I've said many times before though, e-bikes are designed to be power assist, not human assist, not electric bikes. In other words, they are meant primarily as bicycles which have some motor assistance for the more difficult parts of riding.

If anyone wants to two wheel travel without doing any work, then a moped or small motor cycle should be used, these having much more power, that being necessary for travel without the need to help.
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[john]

Originally Posted by flecc

Hi Bersh
As I've said many times before though, e-bikes are designed to be power assist, not human assist, not electric bikes. In other words, they are meant primarily as bicycles which have some motor assistance for the more difficult parts of riding.

If anyone wants to two wheel travel without doing any work, then a moped or small motor cycle should be used, these having much more power, that being necessary for travel without the need to help.
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I think that is a personal view flecc and I use my bike that way too. But I can use it without pedalling. Indeed, I did use it that way when I had to borrow a back wheel and the pedals wouldn't work. Generally I pedal to keep fit and get there a bit quicker (although it doesn't make a lot of difference) and to increase range. Also I feel a bit silly on a bike not pedalling

I guess in a hilly area it is a bit different but I wouldn't want people to be put off an e-bike in a fairly flat area because the didn't want to, or weren't able to, pedal. They have advantages over a moped, more efficient, safer (due to lower speed), lighter etc. Disadvantages too of course.

[Erik]

A big advantage of an E-bike over a moped is that you can legally ride many places where mopeds can't.

Also many consider an adult riding a moped as a sign of social deroute, maybe a sign of a drivers license lost due repeated drunk driving.

[flecc]

Originally Posted by john

I think that is a personal view flecc and I use my bike that way too. But I can use it without pedalling. Indeed, I did use it that way when I had to borrow a back wheel and the pedals wouldn't work.

Sorry to disagree John, but my first paragraph isn't a personal view but fact. From the first e-bikes the intention was to add power to assist a cyclist, and most national laws are in line with that. So are manufacturer's designs, and no manufacturer differs from that. As we know, in Europe, pedalling is compulsory to get power. The fact that many bikes are able to propel one much of the time doesn't alter that.

The problem with the other approach is that many people get mis-sold and are disappointed, or even angered. That for example has been the long standing problem for Bersh, who was sold an e-bike for San Francisco with it's internationally famous and notorious hills but wants to ride it without pedalling which clearly isn't possible for an e-bike. Anyone selling e-bikes, online or face to face should always without fail advise the true status of e-bikes, since that then avoids the dissatisfaction that too often arises. Of course sellers can mention that they are ok without pedalling on the flat, but customers should never be left with an idea that they are motor vehicles.
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[flecc]

Originally Posted by Erik

A big advantage of an E-bike over a moped is that you can legally ride many places where mopeds can't.

Also many consider an adult riding a moped as a sign of social deroute, maybe a sign of a drivers license lost due repeated drunk driving.

It seems it's different in Denmark Erik. Here in the UK a moped cannot be ridden by anyone who has lost their licence, they are banned from using any motor vehicle. E-bikes are ok for them since they are exempted from many mnotor vehicle laws.

But again this is a "red herring". E-bikes are bicycles with power assistance to the prime power source which is the cyclist, and designed and legislated as such.

They are not motor bicycles, in fact, in performance and in law.
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