Tour of Britain – Stage 3 , eZee vs Kalkhoff

[flecc]

Private message to Riggo announcing intention to enter I think would be best David:

If you click on the name Riggo you'll get a link to PM him.
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[ElephantsGerald]

Originally Posted by riggo

Street legal means exactly that, so no derestriction or assistance above 15mph, after all if the trial is taking place on the public highway the bike has to be legal.

If modified bikes want to join in they can just for fun, but their results will not be recorded and the bikes will not be scrutinized, they will be mass started after all the street legal machines have departed.

Would a bike like the Wisper 905SE qualify to take part under these rules (the standard production bike has a de-restriction button on the handlebars)?

So I assume it would pass the test for no modifications, but would it fail the "street legal" criteria? Unless you disabled the de-restrict button, but then it wouldn't be the standard production bike any more... Ho hum.

Regards,

Elephants

[Wisper Bikes]

Good point Elephants, I will PM Riggo as Flecc suggests and put the question!

Regards David

[keithhazel]

Originally Posted by ElephantsGerald

So I assume it would pass the test for no modifications, but would it fail the "street legal" criteria? Unless you disabled the de-restrict button, but then it wouldn't be the standard production bike any more... Ho hum.

Regards,

Elephants

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i think this could end up quite amusing..i can see the "officials" on the starting line disallowing all sorts of combinations..from "unoficial nobbly tyres"... to all bikes that have a button thats "been added" no matter its use "just in case" it activates the nuclear reacter in the crossbar, and even if you disabled the de-ristrict button on starting who's gonna believe you wont "flick it" back...after all if they think there are some devious e-bikers amongst you who are gonna "stash batteries" along a pre-informed route then no way they gonna trust you swearing on the bible that you will be gentlemanly and "play the game" by being "legal"... ....

[riggo]

I don't want to get in to a protracted argument, but personally i would class a bike with a derestrict button as not UK street legal, if you caused an accident while your bike was in unrestricted mode i'm sure most courts would view that the machine was not legal. If you have a better idea let me know these are Draft rules after all.

Unfortunatly there are always people who will cheat or try and give themselves an unfair advantage, this year's two battery rumour at Prestiegne would be a good example.

Apologies for anybody trying to PM me, I have now enabled this facility

Riggo

[frank9755]

I'm not sure it's that clear cut. I believe the Wisper is street legal, as long as the button is not pressed. I'm sure David looked into this during design.
Then what about the Torq? Mr Ching says it assists to 16mph (and other ezee bikes I know will assist to 17 on fresh batteries). As 16 > 15 or 15.5, I don't know if that would pass an ultra-pedantic 'street legal'test. I think you have to allow production bikes to compete or it seems a bit contrived!

[john]

Originally Posted by frank9755

I'm not sure it's that clear cut. I believe the Wisper is street legal, as long as the button is not pressed. I'm sure David looked into this during design.
Then what about the Torq? Mr Ching says it assists to 16mph (and other ezee bikes I know will assist to 17 on fresh batteries). As 16 > 15 or 15.5, I don't know if that would pass an ultra-pedantic 'street legal'test. I think you have to allow production bikes to compete or it seems a bit contrived!

I think that is sensible. If it is classed as street legal by the supplier then that should be enough. Of course you would have to be confident that Wisper users didn't use the off-road button. To me, it would seem to defeat the point if they did, as surely the object of the exercise it to compare street legal bikes but I suppose others may have other motivations.

[frank9755]

Originally Posted by john

I think that is sensible. If it is classed as street legal by the supplier then that should be enough. Of course you would have to be confident that Wisper users didn't use the off-road button. To me, it would seem to defeat the point if they did, as surely the object of the exercise it to compare street legal bikes but I suppose others may have other motivations.

Could you even insist they didn't use it, if you didn't also insist that the Torq users kept their bikes below 15.5mph? I think it has to be production bikes, used to their capabilities. Which means if you have a Wisper with a few spare 14Ah batteries, you might be hard to beat even if you don't do much pedalling!
I hope that this doesn't spoil the Ezee vs 50 Cycles rivalry...!

[keithhazel]

Originally Posted by frank9755

I hope that this doesn't spoil the Ezee vs 50 Cycles rivalry...!

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if i remember correctly there is NO Ezee vs 50 Cycles rivalry as 50 cycles said they where not even bothering to enter one as had nothing to prove........ this could turn out to be mr Ching first past the line breaking open the bubbly......... with ONLY HIM on the podeum...

[frank9755]

Originally Posted by keithhazel

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if i remember correctly there is NO Ezee vs 50 Cycles rivalry as 50 cycles said they where not even bothering to enter one as had nothing to prove...

I interpreted that as part of the rivalry!