Tour of Britain – Stage 3 , eZee vs Kalkhoff

[WaiWonChing]

Tour of Britain – Stage 3 , eZee vs Kalkhoff on the same route Sept. 9th.

The stage 3 of the Tour of Britain take place on the 9th Sept , from Chard to Burham-0n-Sea, I understand is the most challenging part with 113 miles. Now these pros does it in 4 hrs 45 mins. all done with the muscle power, so there is no need for anymore Lycra dare devils to prove anything. If any of those pros would have ride a Pro-Connect instead of their usual competition bike he would definitely come in last and with a big gap, I would put my head on the block if otherwise.

I have always maintained that the Panasonic system is only for utility riding and originally designed for Japanese grand mothers.

I have challenged Mr. David Henshaw who wrote so glaringly about the Kalkhoff Pro-Connect in his recent issue no. 66 of the AtoB to ride this same route as stage 3 of the TOB with it, and I will ride my eZee Torq (our current model ). Initially I suggested we do it like in Presteigne with about 22 mph and finish this stage with 1 hr rest, making it in 6 hrs. David then proposed 10 hrs, and finally I think we should compromise with max. 8 hrs. Each does it the way he thinks best and to show what man and an e-bike could do.

The pros in these races Tour de France or Tour of Britain , does it with an average of 350 watts. The 4hrs 45mins works out to be about 1662 wh. There will be no miracle for anyone, on the eZee we have 370 wh on a full charge, and the Kalkhoff has 270 wh. The eZee battery give you 37 % more energy, and output if it is in the same level of efficiency, and less if it has lower efficiency or otherwise higher. I need to bring this to the attention of every one interested. Each of us will take 4 batteries. As it is widely claimed that the Pro-connect would do 30 miles easily.

On the eZee Torq, I have installed the Cycleanalyst www.ebikes.ca Homepage of the revolution This will be an available option in 2009 with eZeebikes. Normally I test the bikes with full power, and not the type of utility riding with 10-14 mph. Today, I test it, putting a potentiometer option on ( we have an option call the eZee Assist Factor ) setting the power level 3.5 from a scale of 8.5 . I rode from my home to the eZee’s factory with the following results :

Distance 18.08 km 11.3 miles
Ave.speed 19.17 kmph 12 mph
Power consumption 70.66 Wh
1.754 Ah
Time 56m 33s





This is in ball park of about 50% assist ratio, with 70 watts average from the electric power and the rest with muscle power. There average power consumption on such a ride is definitely no more than 150 watts. This type of utility riding over level road, with no wind condition, I would be able to do 60 miles on a charge of the battery on the eZee Torq. I will be 58 in this Nov and weighs154 lbs with summer clothing and shoes on. Healthy but not fit in athletic terms.

Anyone else interested to join in this friendly riding event would be welcome.

I offer here 50% discount on eZee’s battery , Phylion or the new Li+ polymer for those who would participate in this ride with their eZeebike. You’ll get the battery on that day 9th Sept. Up to 3 batteries each person. Those who like this, have to register with me before the 19th July. ezeebike@gmail,com

W W Ching

[TomB]

Tour of Manchester - Stage (daily both ways).

Distance 19.8 Miles.

Best time so far on ProConnect (medium power sixteen teeth rear sprocket) 55 minutes and 55 seconds (one third charge left in battery - heart-rate aerobic).

So average speed 21.25 mph.

I am a utility cyclist, but not a Japanese Granny

[baboon]

Originally Posted by WaiWonChing

I have always maintained that the Panasonic system is only for utility riding and originally designed for Japanese grand mothers.

To be fair, you probably would say that!

But I suspect that a quick survey of pedelecers would reveal that most of us are "utility riders"; that is, we use pedelecs because they are useful in terms of getting from A to B.

The Panasonic system may well have been designed for Japanese grandmothers, but it's reliable, efficient, and excellent at hill climbing. I have quite a few "gadgets" from Panasonic and I've always found them impressive. I've been less impressed with some of the stuff that comes out of the less well-known chinese manufacturers.

It'll be interesting to see the result of the "race", but at the end of the day whoever wins is irrelevant to most of us. What might be more interesting is a comparison of who enjoys the ride most, but of course that would be rather subjective.

As for the offer of 50% off batteries, that's all very well but who wants to end up owning 4 batteries?! Perhaps if you lent them out for the event that might be better.

Peter

[Blew it]

Hey, what a brilliant idea.

Surely, this would be a unique opportunity to showcase the many magnificent hybrids we read about on this forum.
The Wisper 905 SE, with three extra batteries, would easily complete this ride at a decent speed.

How about the Cytronex. In the hands of a medium fitness rider, I suspect would be a very strong challenger with three extra bottles of pop!.
I'm sure there are many more machines that could put up a very good show in the proposed event.

Did we not enjoy reading about the good natured rivalry between manufacturers at the TOUR DE PRESTEIGNE. I know I did. Recently, there were calls for similar events to Presteigne, but in different locations, on this forum.

So come on guys!. How about it! WaiWonChing has thrown down the gauntlet. I double dare you to pick it up!!.

Best wishes

Bob

PS. Unless you want your sales figures to fall through the floor, please don't nominate me as a rider.

[Conal]

Mr Ching

I am very interested in taking part in your proposed event on 9th September and have sent you an email asking to be registered

I have a few questions.

I have a Ezee Forza purchased last October with a battery made in July (known thanks to your key to the codes stamped on the battery). I have experienced no problems with this battery and see from comments made by yourself and Flecc that the new battery might be 40% better. I would like to buy three batteries on 9th September and would be happy to pay for them in advance.

Will you lend people who only have one battery three extra batteries for the day so we can complete the ride? Or will the batteries I buy be fully charged so that I can use them immediately? Will I need a different charger for the new batteries than the one I have for my present battery, if so, can I buy three chargers at the same discount (greedy I know, but if you don’t ask you don’t get!)

Are you staying overnight the night before in a nearby hotel as it would be great to meet you and others before the event (and if the new batteries need charging I could charge them overnight.

I have emailed your web site at ezeebike@gmail.com asking to be registered for the ride, it is a great idea.

Looking forward to the day!

Conal O’Rourke

[Django]

What a shame, I will be working on that day and so unable to make it. Great idea though, Mr Ching, and I hope it is really good fun for all who take up the challenge.

[The Maestro]

This TOB race sounds like great fun but I doubt you could take much from the results because the race would be won by the strongest rider and would probably favour the most 'normal' bike, i.e. lightest, least drag and easist to use above its power assist mph.

[jac]

hi are the bikes to be bog standard road legal bikes or is it anything goes because as a piece of fun its ok as an evaluation of the various bikes it is a nonsense bikes should be tested by independent testers like extra energy. atob are leaving themselves open to claims they favour kalkhoff like we see over the brompton

[flecc]

Originally Posted by jac

atob are leaving themselves open to claims they favour kalkhoff like we see over the brompton

A to B have never made any secret of their liking for the Panasonic system, but on any bike where it's fitted, and they've very highly praised the Gazelle Easy Glider recently and the Giant Lafree bikes in the past, so it cannot be seen as a Kalkhoff bias. Had they tested the equivalent Raleigh Dover instead of the Kalkhoff Pro Connect, I'm sure their finding would have been the same.

However, as well as their Lafree Comfort bike, they regularly use two eZee hub motor models, the Torq and Sprint, for various purposes, but the two types are very different concepts and systems and have different qualities in consequence.
.

[jac]

i agree it could have been the raleigh dover but i think it is different taking part in a fun event like presteinge and mr chings race which sounds like a grudge match against kalkhoff