Brexit, for once some facts.

[Danidl]

No political agenda???
capx is a creation of the CPS, conservative think tank. Its main argument is sunlit upland outside the EU.

It is not particular to this organisation, but I have noticed a trend whereby any one with an agenda, social, political sets up an "organisation" and then lists themselve as the spokesperson or ceo, despite the fact there might be no members of their organisation. As an organisation they then demand equal speaking rights as other organisations.
Now I have no difficulty in anyone expressing a personal opinion (preferably informed), but I do believe that public media and airways should be more circumspect and the first questions asked of any spokesperson should be ..
. How many people are you speaking for?, is your organisation a political body?, a registered company ? or a registered charity.?, Otherwise they ,the reporters should insist that the person is representing nobody but themselves...

 

[Danidl]

Notice most powerful man in Europe has been on sauce again. If he were in teaching, a doctor, a pilot or anything with some accountable responsibility he, d probably be sacked or at least under investigation.

I will assume that you are referring to Mr claude Junkers. Are you aware that his mobility difficulties relate to sciatica as a result of a 1989 car accident?. He had difficulties moving while addressing the Irish Parliament , which he attributed to this accident, and his speech following that difficulty, did not in any fashion indicate any slurring or impaired mental faculties, as would have been indicated by that level of locomotive disability....
If your sources for information remain the Daily Mail, perhaps you might choose more reliable second sources.

 

[tillson]

I will assume that you are referring to Mr claude Junkers. Are you aware that his mobility difficulties relate to sciatica as a result of a 1989 car accident?. He had difficulties moving while addressing the Irish Parliament , which he attributed to this accident, and his speech following that difficulty, did not in any fashion indicate any slurring or impaired mental faculties, as would have been indicated by that level of locomotive disability....
If your sources for information remain the Daily Mail, perhaps you might choose more reliable second sources.

I had no idea that the “medical ailment” excuse was still in use. I thought its credibility had been exhausted about 3 years ago and that things had now moved on to slightly more sophisticated measures based on distraction techniques. I suppose there is no harm in giving the old analog type excuses an outing though, the worst that can happen is you get laughed at.

 

[tommie]

I have suffered from back problems in the past (sciatica) and the actions and mannerisms displayed by Mr Drunker are not those of someone with a bad back. If he did have back problems he would be walking very slowly and carefully, not wobbling all over the place as that would have made the pain excruciating.

`During a speech in Ireland last month he explained that the condition made him unsteady on his feet, joking he’d “prefer to be drunk”.


However it is far from the first time that the former Luxembourg premier’s alleged fondness for refreshment has got him into trouble.


He faced questions about his fitness for office in 2017 after staggering around at UN peace conference.


Diplomats said he was “very visibly p***ed” during key talks in Geneva over Cyprus.

He caused a stir during the conference with his drink-fuelled erratic behaviour.


It included collisions with people and furniture, and being very familiar with junior aides


And at an EU summit in Latvia in 2015 a clearly inebriated Mr Juncker slapped a series of arriving EU leaders in the face in front of TV cameras.


He also loudly branded Hungary’s PM Viktor Orban “a dictator” as he arrived, before also slapping him in the face.`

 

[tommie]

Are you aware that his mobility difficulties relate to sciatica as a result of a 1989 car accident?

Oh really??!!.... well that`s that then...

 

[tommie]

And thats what`s in charge of the EU folks??

This is what we`re dealing and negotiating with??

Wake up people!!

 

[oldgroaner]

I had no idea that the “medical ailment” excuse was still in use. I thought its credibility had been exhausted about 3 years ago and that things had now moved on to slightly more sophisticated measures based on distraction techniques. I suppose there is no harm in giving the old analog type excuses an outing though, the worst that can happen is you get laughed at.

Does that mean you are giving up using them?
Juncker certainly acts as if he's drunk.

 

[oldgroaner]

And thats what`s in charge of the EU folks??

This is what we`re dealing and negotiating with??

Wake up people!!

You aren't dealing with anyone tommie, and who us the we're?
The DUP don't negotiate , they employ blackmail (and then renege when it suits them)
And they haven't the excuse they're drunk either. so what on earth does anyone bother with them for?

 

[oldgroaner]

I have suffered from back problems in the past (sciatica) and the actions and mannerisms displayed by Mr Drunker are not those of someone with a bad back. If he did have back problems he would be walking very slowly and carefully, not wobbling all over the place as that would have made the pain excruciating.

`During a speech in Ireland last month he explained that the condition made him unsteady on his feet, joking he’d “prefer to be drunk”.


However it is far from the first time that the former Luxembourg premier’s alleged fondness for refreshment has got him into trouble.


He faced questions about his fitness for office in 2017 after staggering around at UN peace conference.


Diplomats said he was “very visibly p***ed” during key talks in Geneva over Cyprus.

He caused a stir during the conference with his drink-fuelled erratic behaviour.


It included collisions with people and furniture, and being very familiar with junior aides


And at an EU summit in Latvia in 2015 a clearly inebriated Mr Juncker slapped a series of arriving EU leaders in the face in front of TV cameras.


He also loudly branded Hungary’s PM Viktor Orban “a dictator” as he arrived, before also slapping him in the face.`

He's drunk and incompetent alright
One of the problems of Democracy is that it throws up people like that from time to time, after all it gave you the DUP
And of course the "mad as a box of frogs" Conservatives.

 

[Zlatan]

I will assume that you are referring to Mr claude Junkers. Are you aware that his mobility difficulties relate to sciatica as a result of a 1989 car accident?. He had difficulties moving while addressing the Irish Parliament , which he attributed to this accident, and his speech following that difficulty, did not in any fashion indicate any slurring or impaired mental faculties, as would have been indicated by that level of locomotive disability....
If your sources for information remain the Daily Mail, perhaps you might choose more reliable second sources.

Yes his problem is 40% proof sciatica. He was drunk.

 

[Zlatan]

I will assume that you are referring to Mr claude Junkers. Are you aware that his mobility difficulties relate to sciatica as a result of a 1989 car accident?. He had difficulties moving while addressing the Irish Parliament , which he attributed to this accident, and his speech following that difficulty, did not in any fashion indicate any slurring or impaired mental faculties, as would have been indicated by that level of locomotive disability....
If your sources for information remain the Daily Mail, perhaps you might choose more reliable second sources.

And actually info wasn't from Daily Mail.. Its common knowledge he is a drunk.

 

[Zlatan]

He's drunk and incompetent alright
One of the problems of Democracy is that it throws up people like that from time to time, after all it gave you the DUP
And of course the "mad as a box of frogs" Conservatives.

Which democracy gave us Drunker OG? EU fails all tests of democracy.
You try voting Junker out, you can't. We could May, might happen soon. Junker and his cronies are going nowhere, except for free lunch and drinks, on expenses of course.
Woosh
Capx receive no funding from political parties. Both it and its founding organisation are as you suggest right centrist but are at least independent and only express views as they see them. If you read a selection of articles they do express pro leave and remain views.
Agreed they tend to support Tories but not out of blind faith but because they promote free trade, Keynism and capitalist doctrine. If Labour had sensible fiscal policies no doubt Capx would report them. Their support of Tories is purely on common financial beliefs.
Reduction in poverty and social injustice will only be achieved with profit , not with ridiculous left wing ideology . You can't give away what you haven't got.
Capx publish many excellent articles. Fact.
The article about Euro being on a knife edge is a widely held belief based on data not propaganda.

 

[oldgroaner]

Which democracy gave us Drunker OG? EU fails all tests of democratic.

You really need to educate yourself by looking at the EU setup before coming out with that sort of thing
Who's test's? yours?
Tell me how well does the UK compare with the EU on that score?

 

[oldgroaner]

Which democracy gave us Drunker OG? EU fails all tests of democratic.
Woosh
Capx receive no funding from political parties. Both it and its founding organisation are as you suggest right centrist but are at least independent and only express views as they see them. If you read a selection of articles they do express pro leave and remain views.

On the contrary he was diplomatically elected , because politicians like our wonderful David Cameron and Germany's Merkel fought like cats and acted like schoolkids
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/27/eu-democratic-bandwagon-juncker-president-wanted
It was democratic and gave exactly the wrong result, and of course the same argument applies to Brexit, doesn't it?
And your comments about Capx are equally misleading
CapX is a British online news website and aggregator founded by the Centre for Policy Studies, and features columnists and contributors such as Tim Montgomerie ...
"The Centre for Policy Studies (CPS) is a free-market British policy think tank whose goal is to promote coherent and practical public policy, to "roll back the state," reform public services, support communities, and challenge threats to Britain’s independence.[1] Although identified as non-partisan, the Centre has strong historical links to the Conservative Party.

"Think tank Transparify, which is funded by the Open Society Foundations, ranked the CPS as one of the four least transparent think tanks in the UK in relation to funding. Transparify's report How Transparent are Think Tanks about Who Funds Them 2016? rated them as 'highly opaque,' one of 'a handful of think tanks that refuse to reveal even the identities of their donors.

Just another head of the Hydra like Jackass Moggs ERA.

They can kid you with anything, can't they?

Do you imagine the leave campaign organisation was the only one that was bought and sold with somebody's gold?

 

[gray198]

He's drunk and incompetent alright
One of the problems of Democracy is that it throws up people like that from time to time, after all it gave you the DUP
And of course the "mad as a box of frogs" Conservatives.

and Jeremy Corbyn

 

[Zlatan]

You really need to educate yourself by looking at the EU setup before coming out with that sort of thing
Who's test's? yours?
Tell me how well does the UK compare with the EU on that score?

Loads better. If you take trouble to actually investigate subject you, ll find out democracy is almost an impossibility over entire state of EU. Do your homework OG. Research it properly before judging others.


Read point 3 OG.

 

[tommie]

The European Commission is an entirely appointed institution, not democratically elected, and it has the monopoly of proposing laws: there is no competition over who has political authority and sets the agenda at the European level. EU citizens do not get a choice over who is part of this powerful body, and the Commission is only accountable to the European Parliament in its entirety: individual Commissioners who are performing badly, frequently intoxicated, insulting to world leaders, slap them about the face, slobber all over them and generally act like something from Monty Python cannot be sacked. The Commission lacks legitimacy: it is much too powerful for an institution that is not democratically representative of the EU citizens or accountable to them.

(Point 3 again with additional info)

 

[anotherkiwi]

Loads better. If you take trouble to actually investigate subject you, ll find out democracy is almost an impossibility over entire state of EU. Do your homework OG. Research it properly before judging others.
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Read point 3 OG.

That isn't what the document you published says, it says there is a perception of lack of democracy.

We can agree on one point: that the Commission proposes directives and those directives are suggested to the Commission by powerful lobbying organisations with vested interests that may not be good for the general public.

For a directive to become law it has to be voted into law in each sovereign nations parliament. You can't get more democratic than that can you? If they don't pass that law they risk being fined by the EU.

The UK is up for fines for a customs scam and not respecting air pollution standards. Those of course are very serious attacks on UK sovereignty, your government should be able to poison you if it damn well pleases! And HMRC inspectors should be able to let Chinese goods through without inspection - after all both inspectors were on their tea break that day...

 

[flecc]

And thats what`s in charge of the EU folks??

This is what we`re dealing and negotiating with??

Wake up people!!

No, we aren't negotiating with Jean Claude Junker, that's Michel Barnier, and Junker's term of office ends next year. So he won't even be in office for our transition phase and final exit from the EU.
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[flecc]

You try voting Junker out, you can't. We could May, might happen soon. Junker and his cronies are going nowhere, except for free lunch and drinks, on expenses of course.

Nonsense, his post is a temporary one and it ends next year.

All of the Commission members were democratically elected in their own countries and then get put forward as Commission President for a five year term, taking turns.
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