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Hi d8veh As far as I know there will not be any changes to the EN15194 document in the near future so motors rated as they currently are will remain. I don't think there would be any advantage to imposing tighter limits to motor power than are already in force across Europe. The rated 250W...

One would hope so Dave, but if needs be we will hopefully still be able to offer the throttle even if there are not any loopholes. It's a shame you were not at the meeting, your input would have been valuable, BEBA need more passionate people such as yourself become involved. All the best...

Yes Neptune that is exactly the point and the one BEBA was making at the DfT meeting! According to EN15194 a bike can have a full throttle up to 6KPH so a throttle is legal and acceptable. The throttle can work up to 25KPH so the speed is legal and acceptable. The pedals simply have to be...

Dave, I don't think there was ever any doubt, fast pedelecs will never fit into the same category as bikes specified in EN15194 and will always be considered nearer to mopeds than cycles. I absolutely agree with keeping them separate and insisting on compulsory insurance, licensing...

Thanks for starting the thread Dave! I think it is conclusive, there is an overwhelming demand for the choice of a throttle on pedelecs in the UK for all the very positive reasons given here. A throttle employs the most sophisticated software known to man, to control exactly the amount of...

Hi Eddie, we are waiting for more information on this, we are keen to bring in the Grace fast pedlecs as soon as possible as they are so popular in Germany and Switzerland already. I think this may be achievable but the bikes would need to be treated in every way as if they were mopeds. We will...

Thanks Jim. BEBA now under the Chairmanship of Mark from Hero Eco has worked very hard to get to this point, so your kind and encouraging comments are very welcome! All the best David

It is important to understand that these are not yet "results". As I said in my first post, this is my personal view of the way the law will probably go. We set out to try and encourage the DfT to see if a way could be found that in the UK riders could still have the choice of buying a bike...

What was interesting is that the %'s didn't really change between 100 and 200 results and the eventual 355 completed surveys, I think we can safely assume that even if we had reached 10,000 the results would have remained pretty well the same. All the best David

Thanks for your support Dave!

By Jove Shemozzles got it! All the best David AKA Professor Henry Higgins!! ;)

OK, OK....... a TTWWTPANBRIAFD a Throttle That Works When The Pedals Are Not Being Rotated In A Forward Direction! All the best David:D No I have never been asked to compile the Telegraph crossword.

Neptune, please don't worry I did not get that impression at all! The points you make, like Flecc's are spot on and I totally agree with your views. Unfortunately we were never going to get exactly what we wanted! Kind regards David

Good point Eddie, kits were discussed, as long as kits are being sold as a kit, were not pre-fitted to a bike and would not exceed any of the limits set in EN15194 and did not have a TTWWTPANBRIAFD they would be acceptable within SEN. (I am so fed up with typing that sentence, so I thought I...

Thanks for the kind comments Flecc, BEBA and in particular Mark Loveridge has been working hard to persuade the DfT to allow us to continue to use the throttle in the UK and not follow the rest of Europe. Without BEBA's intervention we would certainly now be seeing a move to outlaw the...

In this case the DfT are happy to make the concession that we can in the UK still have a throttle on a bike that will be considered in every respect to be a bicycle. I believe a bike with full throttle in any other European state would not fall into this category. In Germany I understand it...

I absolutely agree Neptune, it is not a perfect result, but the best we could have hoped for. The addition of a throttle to 25kph is now not an issue, the question is simply when the throttle will operate. The wording within EN15194 answers the question "when the pedals are being rotated in...

We were at the DfT building in Horseferry Road Eddie, no bar, not even a biscuit! All the best David

Good meeting. Discussions ranged far an wide. We will post something on Wednesday, tomorrow we are off to a BEBA meet in Birmingham to discuss the market and how to get more bums in saddles etc. etc. VERY briefly..... Non of this is written in stone but it seems to be the way we are...

Great point! I will use it today. All the best David I'm off!