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Right, well I'm pleased to report that I collected my M20 yesterday. First impressions? It looks cracking, just like a road bike should. Weighs in at 12 kg on the suitcase scales. Rides like a road bike too. The balance between the down-tube battery and rear hub motor is spot on and handling...

Had an email from Epic Cycles. It's thought to be a battery problem and they're apparently in short supply. I did suggest, in a separate email to Orbea customer services that they might like to consider financial compensation, but they chose to ignore that part of my email!

Irritating news Nev. The bike got to my lbs last week but had a defunct electrical system. Not the bike shops fault. Now waiting for Orbea to put right. They promise next week - we'll see. I hope Orbea read this thread!

I've just noticed that shops are advertising the Orbea Gain F40 19, 2019 model for £1699 available now. It's the Al framed version, flat bar and not great spec with Shimano Altus. But it does have the battery and wiring completely hidden and exactly the same drive mechanism and App compatibility...

My Orbea Gain M20 19 left the factory yesterday and is on its way to my lbs. 2 weeks delay from original delivery estimate, but the Orbea website shows them as available for immediate delivery in some colour/size options now.

Hi Nev, Orbea are now saying it'll be dispatched this week. Oddly, on their website, my choice of size colour says it is available immediately! I wonder if my delay is due to specifying 172.5 cranks? I'm going to ask my lbs to get on to Orbea to see what answer they get. Here's hoping. Chris

After a few messages to the Orbea on-line shop, I'm assured my M20 19 will be available for me to collect next week (just 1week late) - we'll see..... My advice to anyone else nagging them is to send them all messages through the on-line portal. Replies to their emails don't always get a response!

I've just looked at the Ebikemotion website and the bottle battery that I can see is 250W (another 6.9Ahr). Any news on your delivery yet?

That's an interesting concept. Increasing on- board capacity to nearly 9Ahr without too much extra weight? Good luck with imminent delivery.

Hi Nev. No, still shown as 3rd! I've emailed Orbea without reply so far. I'll keep you posted.

Filing dropouts could be an issue (depending on how beefy they are to begin with), but I wouldn't worry about carbon forks per se. I suspect the torque applied during disc braking on modern machines will be condsiderably more than that generated by the hub motor.

I'm hoping you're right Nev. I posted this in the hope I would find someone who had already had one delivered, but I'm the earliest hope at Sept 3 so far

Impressive!

I think the shops are used to dates for the 2918 models slipping back (they certainly have). Suspect Orbea are prioritising the new models. Friends in the trade tell me there a shortage of 105 groupset (105 would have been my choice if the dates were the same). But if it's come forward on the...

I ordered an M20 (Ultegra build) on July 30th. I chose the black/grey because it had the swiftest delivery date (3-7 Sept). That date is still shown on the ''My Orders' page, but I know Aluminium framed models have had long delays. I'm trying to manage my own expectations by asking what others...

I I think we agree. Basically, the more work the motor is doing, the shorter the range for a given battery capacity. Reductio ad Absurdum - turn the motor off and the range is infinite! My only point is that delivering higher torque from a motor doesn't come free, it requires energy from the...

I'm afraid that it's really just a consequence of the First Law of Thermodynamics (the "energy can neither be created nor destroyed" one). A battery of a given size stores a fixed amount of energy. The faster you put it out, the shorter the battery life. So a very fit rider, putting out lots of...

I think we agree! I also think another point you made 10 years ago is pertinent. Some of the attraction of these new bikes depends on the fitness if the rider and what they are looking for. Orbea's "Just Enough" marketing is commendably honest. The motor delivers lowish torque by comparison with...

Hi Flecc, remember me? We interacted quite a lot 10 years ago when I first joined this forum (I was chris_bike then, but lost the account when I retired and forgot to change my email!). In those days, I was an evangelist for Cytronex and, if my memory serves me well, you were quite sceptical...