the Swedes' success may be partly down to their national character, having fewer hooligans than we do.Remember my continuous advocacy of the Swedish relaxed voluntary approach? They didn't throw away a pro rata £50 billions to shut businesses, to pay people to stay off work, to close schools or build Nightingale hospitals etc.
Instead they stayed cool, avoided hysteria, just giving the necessary advice and leaving people to get on with it, and that resulted in a third less deaths than us pro rata.
I couldn't disagree more strongly, that was the worst spend of all. Have you already forgotten what happened? Instead of being at work, as in Sweden, where their employers could have instituted safe regimes or in many cases where their employment was naturally Covid safe, they were at home mixing with their friends and neighbours socialising and doing their drinking with them in each others homes in lieu of pubs.the 68 billions spent on furlough is justified
Oh dear, Save the NHS! I never fell for that political excuse.Once the decision to lockdown was taken (to save the NHS), schools had to be closed, parents were needed at home, cinemas and restaurants must also be closed. Furlough is the only way to keep businesses going.
In the week of 4 august croydon saw an increase in infection of 7.3%, the second highest in the capital. I'm not picking out isolated examples, I'm showing you a pattern (and am more interested in that than ex post facto fantasies about the inhabitants of the mythical state of croydon)Exactly as I've said, London's low vaccination rates with very good outcomes. Again you pick out an isolated example of something that has been going slightly up and down like a yo yo all year.
Except SOUTH CROYDON is where I live and what you conveniently ignore despite all my explanations of the big differences.
Give it up Jonathan, your second failure to show different from what I've posted. I'm using the same government sources you are so you're doomed to fail to show a difference.
I am not repeating government's lines. The furlough scheme is necessary as soon as businesses are forced to close under lockdown. There is simply no way around it. The scheme grants roughly £5,000 per person it helped. Think about grants for e-cars, house insulation etc.Oh dear, Save the NHS! I never fell for that political excuse.
The Swedes are at least as proud and protective of their welfare state and health service as we are, but they didn't shut all those places down. So furlough was proven by them not to be the only way to keep business going, all it did was help increase our death rate by almost 50% over theirs in the ways I've shown and which were widely reported.
Only a tiny minority of European countries had furlough schemes, yet the others nearly all did far better than us with Covid outcomes. Even the few with furlough schemes spent far less than us on them and performed better with Covid.
Sorry Woosh, but I'm giving you the facts, you are repeating the government lines as if they are facts. They aren't, the fact that really matters is that we spent immensely more than anyone else on attempting protection, only to end up with one of the worst death rates under the care of the "protected and saved" NHS. All attempts to justify that are invalid excuses and leave me thinking we'll make the same disastrous mistakes again if that isn't acknowledged.
Wales still has rules. Recently, there have been, I think, slightly more not wearing masks. Trouble is, the genuine exemptions are difficult to identify. Lots of shop staff not wearing masks - the rules say customers must, not staff. Which seems somewhat odd.I think the contrasting opinions in here over Covid only go to show just how difficult a task to deal with it is.. There seems no definitive answer and point many forget is we are still nearer epidemic's beginning than end..
One of issues I was amazed and appalled at... On first week of Lockdown we were in Filey (to isolate from pregnant daughter who herself was isolating from Fireservice husband) and reluctantly, after much deliberation decided to go out on ebike. Followed cliff to Scarborough and never saw a soul. Overlooking Scarboro, from half mile or so, I looked onto seafront to see throngs of people, no masks, in and out of packed amusement arcades and full Fish and chip shops. Looked like any normal busy bank holiday... Wonder how many were claiming furlough, businesses and punters? I pedalled home bewildered and worried.???
Just how is a society supposed to cope with a pandemic when residents behave like this.. And, inevitably, those same residents will blame someone else.. "the rules were confusing so I went in a packed amusement arcade".. Sort of thing.
Claiming Furlough to prevent mixing at work and they need telling dont mix socially??why should you even ask the question?
Government told them not to go to work but does not tell them to stay at home.
those who are furloughed are not criminals, it's our government's policy and message that encourage them to do what they did.Claiming Furlough to prevent mixing at work and they need telling dont mix socially??
Pubs closed, so we, ll congregate in amusement arcades??
Give up Woosh folk were taking the Michael.
"we, re on furlough, where can we go?"
Hardly the reaction folk should have had.
Essential travel only but trip to Scarboro is fine.
We had a letter from management committee saying we couldn't use holiday home. (had to prove isolation situation with daughter) yet Scarboro was packed with visitors. At one stage police were sending folk home.
I didn't call them criminals.those who are furloughed are not criminals, it's our government's policy and message that encourage them to do what they did.
Yes you are picking on isolated examples, that is one again, back in August!In the week of 4 august croydon saw an increase in infection of 7.3%, the second highest in the capital. I'm not picking out isolated examples
when did you see that? was it when Sunak told them to 'eat out to help out?'How is it Governments fault if after they chose to pay workers money to stay at home then those workers choose to ignore stay at home advice (essential travel only) and not only drive miles to such places as Scarboro but also flock into amusement arcades which should be closed?
Of course it wasn't the Government's fault in those instances, but what can you expect from members of the public, enough of whom voted for Brexit without engaging the brain first?I didn't call them criminals.
How many claimed benefits of Furlough but then chose to ignore advice/rules/wear a mask etc etc.
How is it Governments fault if after they chose to pay workers money to stay at home then those workers choose to ignore stay at home advice (essential travel only) and not only drive miles to such places as Scarboro but also flock into amusement arcades which should be closed? Why is that Governments fault? Poor messaging I suppose. Or Cummings' jaunt?
People took advantage, think it won't happen to them and do whatever they want. (not everybody obviously but lots)
Perhaps our Government should have acted in a more fascist fashion and beaten a few up.
Did you ever actually have a look at various places during lockdown. You, d have guessed it was August Bank Holiday during initial stages of first lockdown in Scarboro. And on reports it wasn't unique.
As usual, you never answer the question.when did you see that? was it when Sunak told them to 'eat out to help out?'