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6000 Russians, 3000 work permits issued by Hungary in one year. The growth is noticeable.
Hungary is now in schengen.
The EU wants Hungary to apply stricter security checks on Russian and Belarussian nationals. It's not hypocrisy when EU is taking Ukrainian side.
 
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Nissan share drops 38% in 2024, its bonds get to junk status. It has to find new investors to prop up its ability to deal with short term debts within the next 18 months. Otherwise, it will be really in troubles.
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At least they are used to this. They've had a long history of playing second string to Toyota in the market, with threats of failure. The weren't even Nissan originally, their original name was Datsun and they started by building the Austin Seven under licence in Japan in 1929. I ran an old Datsun briefly in the early 1990s, very good it was too.

Their most successful period was when Renault boss Carlos Ghosn took over their management in the 2000s. They were fools to have contrived sacking him for reasons of only pride, getting rid of the best top man in the whole motor industry worldwide. The six or so years since then have been downhill all the way with Japanese management.
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Looks like it's all over for Ukraine with Zelensky conceding he would stop fighting to recover territory in exchange for peace and then only rely on diplomatic negotiation to recover any of the lost territory.

He has no other option now it's revealed that the Ukrainian army is suffering wholesale desertions of their spent and exhausted fighters. LINK

It's following exactly the course I said it would long ago, the forces and then the people turning against Zelensky's leadership which is only giving them more suffering, more failure.

The west could stop the rot or even turn it around, but only by multiplying the military aid it gives, by at the very least a four times factor. But I don't see that happening with Trump now in office and Europe in economic difficulties. Nor will NATO support Zelensky's wish to stop the fight in favour of negotiation by conceding territory, thus conceding Russia has won.

So it's all leading to impasse and an inevitable Ukrainian collapse, if the West doesn't join in the actual fighting against Russia. We could yet be sliding into World War Three.
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Have you got the figures for that 20times higher? Media might like to know?
Storage batteries would help? have they installed any on their 'white meter'? :cool:
Are you really interested in power consumption of data centres and Nvidia GPUs?
Also, it's not the social media that use a lot of computing power but AI. They still need a lot of training. Soon, AI can teach themselves, so the need of training may be limited but we all want voice and video user interface. That will boost the consumption of power a hundred to a thousand times.
AI training is based on Nvidia H200 kits atm. Each Nvidia H200 chip can use 2.8KW, one rack with active liquid cooling needs about 1MW. How many racks do you think are there in a data centre? Ireland has about 90 datacentres.
The backup system needs to be tested 30 minutes every week, the results are submitted to the EU for analysis. The amount of CO2 produced for 1MWH from the backup generator is about 600kgs. To reduce emissions, the backup should run from batteries instead of oil. That's why I said they should be compelled to install storage batteries.
You can do the math yourself.
 
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Looks like it's all over for Ukraine with Zelensky conceding he would stop fighting to recover territory in exchange for peace and then only rely on diplomatic negotiation to recover any of the lost territory.

He has no other option now it's revealed that the Ukrainian army is suffering wholesale desertions of their spent and exhausted fighters. LINK

It's following exactly the course I said it would long ago, the forces and then the people turning against Zelensky's leadership which is only giving them more suffering, more failure.

The west could stop the rot or even turn it around, but only by multiplying the military aid it gives, by at the very least a four times factor. But I don't see that happening with Trump now in office and Europe in economic difficulties. Nor will NATO support Zelensky's wish to stop the fight in favour of negotiation by conceding territory, thus conceding Russia has won.

So it's all leading to impasse and an inevitable Ukrainian collapse, if the West doesn't join in the actual fighting against Russia. We could yet be sliding into World War Three.
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One might say that elenski is a puppet of the west as it "wishes" to concede the 'Rus, but is not allowed? Is he president or not?
Will he go back to his acting/comedy/dancing career? ;)

After all, if there are hundreds of thousands dead, one wouldn't want that "multiplied by 4".

Why would the west start ww3 for Eastern 'Ruskrandia when they may continue the "forever war" another place? Question is not only when, but also where! :confused:
 

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Are you really interested in power consumption of data centres and Nvidia GPUs?
Also, it's not the social media that use a lot of computing power but AI. They still need a lot of training. Soon, AI can teach themselves, so the need of training may be limited but we all want voice and video user interface. That will boost the consumption of power a hundred to a thousand times.
AI training is based on Nvidia H200 kits atm. Each Nvidia H200 chip can use 2.8KW, one rack with active liquid cooling needs about 1MW. How many racks do you think are there in a data centre? Ireland has about 90 datacentres.
The backup system needs to be tested 30 minutes every week, the results are submitted to the EU for analysis. The amount of CO2 produced for 1MWH from the backup generator is about 600kgs. To reduce emissions, the backup should run from batteries instead of oil. That's why I said they should be compelled to install storage batteries.
You can do the math yourself.
My point was if these tech demigods are so *clever* with The AI, then why build the 90 "Data centres ". Only to find out *After*, that the grid And generating capacity cannot carry the Load!
Then already overloaded, what if that were raised by hundred or thousand fold!
And how do you think the "batteries" will get Re-charged? At night? On white meter? From the Oil and Gas powered Grid.

I thought we were supposed to be Reducing Carbon, coz we don't want the 'gas of life', hehe? :)
 

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6000 Russians, 3000 work permits issued by Hungary in one year. The growth is noticeable.
Hungary is now in schengen.
The EU wants Hungary to apply stricter security checks on Russian and Belarussian nationals. It's not hypocrisy when EU is taking Ukrainian side.
He was talking about *German* work permits for rooskis, when EU has Sanctions on rooska led by a German EU presidenta! Ja?

So OK for EU to block rooskis and bellarooskis, but let Everyone else in from points south. Not fair, should block em all, yes? :rolleyes:

("(Block) em all, (block) em all, The long and the short and the tall..." funny song ye may be familiar with, haha :) )
 

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Not hard to figure out where new border will be? Dneiper tween 'Ukr and 'Rus!
Poor Moldova, squashed with no coast. They should have that little orange bit too?
And where's Transinistra, where all the.. come from? :)
2 week Xmas holiday on irish taxpayer, yay. The thing really deterring them is the *Cost*, they say. Not Danger so much! :eek:
 

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He was talking about *German* work permits for rooskis, when EU has Sanctions on rooska led by a German EU presidenta! Ja?
How long ago did you watch the video you posted?
You can see in that video, Orban compared the numbers of Russians working in Germany (about 600,000) and France (about 500,000) to his numbers, 6000 Russians working in Hugary. His point is the EU shows hypocrisy when criticising his government for treating Russians the same way as Ukrainians when examining their application for work permit. The justification is the EU considers Ukrainians a lesser security risk than Russians and Belarussians. I said the EU Commission is justified because the EU chooses to support Ukraine and to sanction Russia and Hungary is in the Schengen so the EU has a say.
So OK for EU to block rooskis and bellarooskis, but let Everyone else in from points south. Not fair, should block em all, yes? :rolleyes:
I really don't know why you say that. Russia and Belarus are under EU sanctions. Other countries are not.
 

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My point was if these tech demigods are so *clever* with The AI, then why build the 90 "Data centres ". Only to find out *After*, that the grid And generating capacity cannot carry the Load!
Then already overloaded, what if that were raised by hundred or thousand fold!
And how do you think the "batteries" will get Re-charged? At night? On white meter? From the Oil and Gas powered Grid.

I thought we were supposed to be Reducing Carbon, coz we don't want the 'gas of life', hehe? :)
Don't you want datacentres in Ireland? How about all the other energy intensive industries such as ammonia (fertilisers), aluminium, steel, cement etc? Close them all?
Datacentres buy electricity from renewables.
 

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Looks like it's all over for Ukraine with Zelensky conceding he would stop fighting to recover territory in exchange for peace and then only rely on diplomatic negotiation to recover any of the lost territory.
There is no reason why Ukraine should concede. It's a war of attrition, like the first world war. Ukraine, the defending side, has the advantage as long as it is supported by NATO to supply it with money and weapons. If you just look at recruitment issues, both sides have the same problems, not just Ukranians. In principle, Russian conscripts are supposed to defend against invaders, not sent over to fight in Ukraine. Putin has used up volunteers, prisoners, mercenairies. He now relies on North Koreans and Chinese to go to the front lines. Soldiers need motivation. Ukrainians defend their land, Putin's army doesn't have the same motivation.
 

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How long ago did you watch the video you posted?
You can see in that video, Orban compared the numbers of Russians working in Germany (about 600,000) and France (about 500,000) to his numbers, 6000 Russians working in Hugary. His point is the EU shows hypocrisy when criticising his government for treating Russians the same way as Ukrainians when examining their application for work permit. The justification is the EU considers Ukrainians a lesser security risk than Russians and Belarussians. I said the EU Commission is justified because the EU chooses to support Ukraine and to sanction Russia and Hungary is in the Schengen so the EU has a say.

I really don't know why you say that. Russia and Belarus are under EU sanctions. Other countries are not.
His point was German, French, etc Hypocrisy, criticising Hungary while virtue signalling with supposed "sanctions" against ruskis while shipping them, (and their fuel) in by the hundred of thousands! Do you not get that? It's screwed up thinking.

I think we know who are the real "security risk"? :eek:
 

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Don't you want datacentres in Ireland? How about all the other energy intensive industries such as ammonia (fertilisers), aluminium, steel, cement etc? Close them all?
Datacentres buy electricity from renewables.
So it's OK as long as the datacentre only runs when "Renewables" available?
Yay, go Green, but not mouldy. Otherwise they'll have to generate their own juice.

Fertilisers are for growing food, and we irish like eating. I'm sure ye in the UK do too?

Need the alloy, steel, and concrete to build datacentres, security huts and bicycle shelters, yes? Begorrah.

Btw how do they get planning permission for co2 Generating gas/diesel Generators when irish gov digs farmers for supposed cow farts? Kerching!
 

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Btw how do they get planning permission for co2 Generating gas/diesel Generators when irish gov digs farmers for supposed cow farts? Kerching!
I guess they do because oil based power generators are the only proven technology solution and oil can be easily delivered to site. The new hyperspace data centres will need to have their own nuclear SMR or built in desert or over a volcano or in low orbit above the earth.
 

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It's a war of attrition, like the first world war. Ukraine, the defending side, has the advantage as long as it is supported by NATO to supply it with money and weapons.
Precisely, a war of attrition, Ukraine is now down to 33 millions in the territory it still possesses, Russia has 140 millions. That can only go one way in a war of attrition, hence Zelensky now desperate to end it quickly. If Ukraine has the advantage, how are they increasingly losing more territory?

And did you even read the link I gave? That scale of Ukrainian forces desertion and disobedience easily matches Russian lack of motivation. NATO needs to come up with something quickly to turn it fron attrition to gain, like at least four times as much help as it currently gives, or Ukraine will give up anyway of necessity.
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I guess they do because oil based power generators are the only proven technology solution and oil can be easily delivered to site. The new hyperspace data centres will need to have their own nuclear SMR or built in desert or over a volcano or in low orbit above the earth.
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What factory? Making what? Anything useful? :)
"Creators" complaining, claiming they make the "content", (Not AI?) and companies not paying them! What is that called again?
 

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Precisely, a war of attrition, Ukraine is now down to 33 millions in the territory it still possesses, Russia has 140 millions. That can only go one way in a war of attrition, hence Zelensky now desperate to end it quickly. If Ukraine has the advantage, how are they increasingly losing more territory?

And did you even read the link I gave? That scale of Ukrainian forces desertion and disobedience easily matches Russian lack of motivation. NATO needs to come up with something quickly to turn it fron attrition to gain, like at least four times as much help as it currently gives, or Ukraine will give up anyway of necessity.
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I did read that short article in the Independent from your link. I did not know the scale of the desertions before reading the article but considering the intensity of modern bombs, 100,000 to 200,000 over nearly 3 years is not totally surprising. By the spring, Ukraine will get a lot more F16s and long range ammunitions, they should be able to create some safe airspace for their troops. If they manage to keep attacking deeper into Russia, Russians and the oligarchs may stop their support for the war. The table will turn.
On Putin's side, the number of young people leaving the country to avoid conscription runs also in hundreds of thousands. Drafters now have only 24 hours to turn up at the recruitment centre. Before, they were given 3 days. Parents of drafters now are only given 3 minutes to say their goodbyes, before, there was no hurry.
War is tough for all those concerned. If you look at how much resvolve nordic countries have shown in support of Ukraine, you can see how much they fear someone like Putin. Extend that zone to ex USSR Baltic countries, then Poland. They would do anything to make sure that Putin loses. That's the best way to avoid a Russian invasion.
 

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