Help! Handcycle Assistance - Custom Build

[userscott]

Hi all,

New member - based in the North West! Hoping this thread gets approved - I tried to post in Technical but it's been stuck in approval for 30 hours..! I've been browsing for a while and getting a view as to what technology is available, and have drawn a few blanks. I'm looking to gauge some technical input on retrofitting electrical assist to a Lasher ATH hand-cycle, which is an off-road only hand powered trike - http://www.lashersport.com/bikes.html.

There are a number of technical considerations that have factored into the issue:

• The bike has a Rohloff Speedhub on the front, so there is no desire to change to a hub motor at all.
• Handcycles are notoriously slippy on the front as all the weight sits on the rear, so there is little desire to fit a mid-drive.
• The bike has no rear brakes or mounts on the rear axles and uses 1/2" push-fit axles and wheelchair wheels.
• There is no aspiration for pedal assist, but only for a thumb throttle to assist with standing starts on flat and to provide assistance when required on steeper off-road sections.

First and foremost is the bike is solely for use by a disabled rider and effectively only used on private land - with that in mind the considerations for EN 15194 and EN 14764 are not of interest to us at this stage. I'm a standards engineer for a global EN certification company by trade but few if any handcycles are actually homologated to any standards, and most standards have exemptions for disabled use etc - which has all been considered but again, it's for private land. With this in mind I'd like to steer the topic away from the law and any limitations in motor output.

Secondly, a number of handcycles on the market or previously having been on the market use BionX, Bafang or Bosch systems. Whilst I have no doubt these are great I have seen a number of handcycle owners have issues with these systems when designs/interfaces/batteries etc have either been discontinued or they've just plain and simply gone bust lol and we just have no interest in dealing with legacy issues in the future, so we are absolutely happy to scratch produce everything (including the battery packs). We have CNC Plasma, TIG, mill, lathes etc at home and a full production capability for manufacturer of the mounting hardware and electrical equipment and stacks of Resin/FDM printers etc for other pieces.

We envisage currently taking the following strategy:

• Retrofitting of a drive motor to either one or two of the rear wheels.
  • Use of a CAN communication system between two VESCs on the rear if required.
• Use of a standard FRONT disc mount ready Hope Pro 4 type hub and suitable 26" rim on each side at the back with suitable adapters to match the push fit nature of the frame.
• Fitment of "fixed gear bike" style disc mount chain sprockets onto the hub.
• Fitment of a suitable motor onto the frame either through a TIG welded mount or our preference of a STAUFF clamp and torque control arm (it would be nice to be able to remove the entire setup sometimes!)
• Fitment of a suitable battery pack (likely 48v?) on the rear end of the bike to suit.

So the million dollar questions and where the issues arise for us are:

1. Given the above specification, can anybody recommend a speed controller that will simply allow us to run a thumb throttle with the minimum amount of fuss?
   1. We had considered this: https://www.4qd.co.uk/product/porter/ but it doesn't look like we will be able to use this with alot of the motor tech currently out there?
2. Can anybody recommend a motor technology which will allow us to ensure the motor adds no drag when not being used?
   1. We had considered BLDC but ideally just want something easy to package, where we can easily fabricate some mounts and put a simple chain wheel or toothed belt sprocket on without too much fuss!
3. Can anybody recommend a motor and controller combo which might fit our needs?

Any thoughts and opinions would be gratefully received, and in the meantime I'll continue to scour the forum!

Cheers




Scott

 

[vfr400]

Cyclone do a ready-mades chain drive system that will do what you want. All you'll need is a bracket to mount the motor.

It's surprising how many guys come on here asking for advice for their projects that are full of daft constraints. When you have a motor, advantages of things like expensive and heavy Rohlhoffs go out the window. Why don't you plan the thing from the start and make a sensible project out of readily available components that are proven to work well rather than starting with constraints that won't contribute anything to the customer's experience of project like Rohlhoffs,CAN and VESCs?

 

[Woosh]

Hi Scott,

I wouldn't discard the crank drive solutions.

I would recommend the Gospade crank drive.
https://www.gospadebike.com/
It's easier to fit and simpler to use than the Bafang BBS01B.

 

[userscott]

Cyclone do a ready-mades chain drive system that will do what you want. All you'll need is a bracket to mount the motor.

It's surprising how many guys come on here asking for advice for their projects that are full of daft constraints. When you have a motor, advantages of things like expensive and heavy Rohlhoffs go out the window. Why don't you plan the thing from the start and make a sensible project out of readily available components that are proven to work well rather than starting with constraints that won't contribute anything to the customer's experience of project like Rohlhoffs,CAN and VESCs?

Thanks for the tip with regards Cylcone. Will take a look now..

With regards to the constraints I don't see why they're daft. The bike is a 3 wheeled trike which wheelspins under hand power - we can replace the Rohloff with anything we like but it still won't have any traction. Again with the back wheels, these are wheelchair wheels, there aren't many off the shelf kits that are suitable for these.. The bike has a custom bottom bracket and cranks which rules out most of the mid drive kits even if there wasn't a huge issue with traction at the front...

 

[vfr400]

Power Wheelchair Hub motor Kit SA175C2

Detailed info about Power Wheelchair Hub motor Kit SA175C2. Contact Taiwan Wheelchair supplier-ELEBIKE CO., LTD. for on Taiwantrade.

www.taiwantrade.com

Other powered wheelchair kits use front motors and don'tseem to have problems with traction. What about using a heavy motor and mounting the battery on top of or in front of it?

 

[userscott]

Power Wheelchair Hub motor Kit SA175C2

Detailed info about Power Wheelchair Hub motor Kit SA175C2. Contact Taiwan Wheelchair supplier-ELEBIKE CO., LTD. for on Taiwantrade.

www.taiwantrade.com

Other powered wheelchair kits use front motors and don'tseem to have problems with traction. What about using a heavy motor and mounting the battery on top of or in front of it?

This is pretty much the same frame as what I'm intending to mount to:

Whilst there are powered wheelchair wheels out there (e-Motion etc) they are all relatively low power and even lower speed. We were hoping to fit closer to the 1 kW mark to the back. Absolutely happy to mill up mounts and use non bike specific motors to do this!

 

[peter.c]

Mid drive to power the rear drive is out as no diff fitted it will never turn corners under power without one
As above the wheel chair kit is the quick way and a more practical conversion
If you fit a mid drive to the front will not need more than a 250watt motor ,the speed hub will do all the work will need rear brakes or a anchor to stop it
or a custom built frame
my mid drive is a 350watt 3 speed and a simple diff