Priceless, so simple for small businesses to sort out. Good old BREXIT!

Wisper Bikes

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Just finished an HMRC Webinar where they explain and make importing easy now we have fumbled our way out of the EU...

Further to the Webinar, I have just received these simple explanatory notes.

This is genuine, I couldn't possibly make it up. This is regarding importing goods only, nothing to do with exporting etc etc etc. PLEASE READ THE VERY LAST LINE it's priceless!

We hope you enjoyed our webinar.

Brexit Transition - https://www.gov.uk/transition
Get an EORI number - https://www.gov.uk/eori
Import goods from outside the EU: step-by-step - https://www.gov.uk/import-goods-outside-eu
Apply to use simplified declaration for imports - - https://www.gov.uk/guidance/using-simplified-declarations-for-imports?step-by-step-nav=849f71d1-f290-4a8e-9458-add936efefc5
Making an import declaration in your records - https://www.gov.uk/guidance/making-an-import-declaration-in-your-records
Making an import supplementary declaration - https://www.gov.uk/guidance/making-an-import-supplementary-declaration
Prepare to import goods from the EU to Great Britain from 1 January 2021 https://www.gov.uk/prepare-to-import-to-great-britain-from-january-2021
Delaying declarations for EU goods brought into GB – 1 January 2021
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/declaring-goods-brought-into-great-britain-from-the-eu-from-1-january-2021
Customs declarations for goods you bring or receive into the UK https://www.gov.uk/guidance/customs-declarations-for-goods-brought-into-the-eu
Get UK customs clearance (importing) step-by-step - https://www.gov.uk/import-customs-declaration
Finding commodity codes (imports and exports) - https://www.gov.uk/import-customs-declaration
Temporary import tariff rates - https://www.gov.uk/guidance/check-temporary-rates-of-customs-duty-on-imports-after-eu-exit#preferential-tariff-rates
Get someone to deal with customs for you - https://www.gov.uk/guidance/appoint-someone-to-deal-with-customs-on-your-behalf
List of customs agents and fast parcel operators - https://www.gov.uk/guidance/list-of-customs-agents-and-fast-parcel-operators
Apply to use simplified procedures (import and export – form C&E48)
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/import-and-export-simplified-procedures-application-ce48
Customs Freight Simplified Procedures – software providers - https://www.gov.uk/guidance/list-of-software-developers-providing-customs-declaration-support

Please send your questions, comments and feedback to: no-reply@noreply.com.


This is genuine and has been received by me today.

All the best, David
 
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Wisper Bikes

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You think this is fun? We have collected a year's worth of batteries that need to go back to the EU based manufacturer for replacement or repair. So we need to export them, then re-import, not forgetting that we have already paid for the batteries so there is no value. This really is complete and utter nightmare.

All the best, David
 

flecc

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You think this is fun? We have collected a year's worth of batteries that need to go back to the EU based manufacturer for replacement or repair. So we need to export them, then re-import, not forgetting that we have already paid for the batteries so there is no value. This really is complete and utter nightmare.

All the best, David
Mind boggling, but I have to say I'm not surprised since it was always apparent the Brexiters had no idea what leaving the EU entailed.

I tried to warn in my post before the referendum that started the Brexit Thread:

https://www.pedelecs.co.uk/forum/threads/brexit-for-once-some-facts.24369/post-308607

but as the responses showed, the brexiters were close mind deniers.
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pentiumofborg

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Just finished an HMRC Webinar where they explain and make importing easy now we have fumbled our way out of the EU...

Further to the Webinar, I have just received these simple explanatory notes.

This is genuine, I couldn't possibly make it up. This is regarding importing goods only, nothing to do with exporting etc etc etc. PLEASE READ THE VERY LAST LINE it's priceless!

We hope you enjoyed our webinar.

Brexit Transition - https://www.gov.uk/transition
Get an EORI number - https://www.gov.uk/eori
Import goods from outside the EU: step-by-step - https://www.gov.uk/import-goods-outside-eu
Apply to use simplified declaration for imports - - https://www.gov.uk/guidance/using-simplified-declarations-for-imports?step-by-step-nav=849f71d1-f290-4a8e-9458-add936efefc5
Making an import declaration in your records - https://www.gov.uk/guidance/making-an-import-declaration-in-your-records
Making an import supplementary declaration - https://www.gov.uk/guidance/making-an-import-supplementary-declaration
Prepare to import goods from the EU to Great Britain from 1 January 2021 https://www.gov.uk/prepare-to-import-to-great-britain-from-january-2021
Delaying declarations for EU goods brought into GB – 1 January 2021
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/declaring-goods-brought-into-great-britain-from-the-eu-from-1-january-2021
Customs declarations for goods you bring or receive into the UK https://www.gov.uk/guidance/customs-declarations-for-goods-brought-into-the-eu
Get UK customs clearance (importing) step-by-step - https://www.gov.uk/import-customs-declaration
Finding commodity codes (imports and exports) - https://www.gov.uk/import-customs-declaration
Temporary import tariff rates - https://www.gov.uk/guidance/check-temporary-rates-of-customs-duty-on-imports-after-eu-exit#preferential-tariff-rates
Get someone to deal with customs for you - https://www.gov.uk/guidance/appoint-someone-to-deal-with-customs-on-your-behalf
List of customs agents and fast parcel operators - https://www.gov.uk/guidance/list-of-customs-agents-and-fast-parcel-operators
Apply to use simplified procedures (import and export – form C&E48)
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/import-and-export-simplified-procedures-application-ce48
Customs Freight Simplified Procedures – software providers - https://www.gov.uk/guidance/list-of-software-developers-providing-customs-declaration-support

Please send your questions, comments and feedback to: no-reply@noreply.com.


This is genuine and has been received by me today.

All the best, David
If you don't mind my asking, how does a business like yours calculate price increases for your products, as a result of all this extra nightmarish crimson tape?
 

Wisper Bikes

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Mind boggling, but I have to say I'm not surprised since it was always apparent the Brexiters had no idea what leaving the EU entailed.

I tried to warn in my post before the referendum that started the Brexit Thread:

https://www.pedelecs.co.uk/forum/threads/brexit-for-once-some-facts.24369/post-308607

but as the responses showed, the brexiters were close mind deniers.
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It's all very unfortunate Tony, and sadly I believe this is only going to get worse.

All the best, David
 
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Wisper Bikes

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I might try to make an ebike batttery using 18650s pulled out of Poundland power banks


If you don't mind my asking, how does a business like yours calculate price increases for your products, as a result of all this extra nightmarish crimson tape?
We ship our bikes into the UK from our facility in Portugal. DHL have added €18.00 per bike to handle the paperwork their end and we have had to employ a new accounts based lady to look after it on our side. It also looks probable that we will need to pay another 6% duty as the bikes move from Europe to UK, bear in mind that we have already paid 6% duty as the Asian parts arrive in Portugal. All our prices will rise by 7.5% next week to compensate.

Instead of happily developing, building and marketing bikes we now all need to be customs experts, this is no mean task.

All the best, David
 

sneggysteve

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You think this is fun? We have collected a year's worth of batteries that need to go back to the EU based manufacturer for replacement or repair. So we need to export them, then re-import, not forgetting that we have already paid for the batteries so there is no value. This really is complete and utter nightmare.

All the best, David
Not easy but you need to deal as Outward Processing Relief - https://www.gov.uk/guidance/using-outward-processing-to-process-or-repair-your-goods#after-youve-re-imported-your-goods

This always applied to goods being sent outside the EU
 
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It also looks probable that we will need to pay another 6% duty as the bikes move from Europe to UK, bear in mind that we have already paid 6% duty as the Asian parts arrive in Portugal.
I suppose that is the result of rule of origin.
Your previous 6% duty was paid to the EU.
Surely your company in Portugal shouldn't have to pay EU duty on the batteries a second time when the batteries re-enter the EU as they come from there?
 

Wisper Bikes

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I suppose that is the result of rule of origin.
Your previous 6% duty was paid to the EU.
Surely your company in Portugal shouldn't have to pay EU duty on the batteries a second time when the batteries re-enter the EU as they come from there?
The paperwork to avoid this is another bundle of red tape to wade through I am afraid. This is now proven to be the disaster that we all knew it would be.

What a mess!

All the best, David
 

Wisper Bikes

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Not easy but you need to deal as Outward Processing Relief - https://www.gov.uk/guidance/using-outward-processing-to-process-or-repair-your-goods#after-youve-re-imported-your-goods

This always applied to goods being sent outside the EU
You are right, it used to be much easier dealing with our friends in the EU than the rest of the world, now, the EU too is going to be a complete nightmare.

Unfortunately as always it will be eBike riders that will pick up the bill. This can't be what we all wanted?

All the best, David
 
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pentiumofborg

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The ebike market is going to be huge for the next few years regardless, demand is at an all time high. I doubt that 7.5% price increases will put buyers off. But what's really needed are very small, enclosed, lightweight 250w folding cars which people can use without needing a driving licence, capable of fitting into the luggage racks of trains... but that might be just me.
 

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I was certainly anti-Brexit from the start and remain so, but I hadn't anticipated quite how absurd the associated bureaucracy would be. I think we all wish the very best luck to those of you who have to fight this nonsense.
 

pentiumofborg

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we all wish the very best luck to those of you who have to fight this nonsense
...and very substantial nonsense it is too! And a gigantic pain in the *rse which no business needs, particularly during a pandemic. Maybe I should "attend" some of these webinar things, I usually ignore them completely.
 

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Mind boggling, but I have to say I'm not surprised since it was always apparent the Brexiters had no idea what leaving the EU entailed.

I tried to warn in my post before the referendum that started the Brexit Thread:

https://www.pedelecs.co.uk/forum/threads/brexit-for-once-some-facts.24369/post-308607

but as the responses showed, the brexiters were close mind deniers.
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It's a shame that some grown adults can't have a factual discussion without making derogatory remarks about those that have a different political view to their own.

I voted remain for many reasons, but calling those who voted the other way "closed mind deniers" is not only insulting, but is exactly the type of rhetoric that pushed many middle-ground waverers to vote out.

What should have been an informative thread about the challenges that have arisen has been devalued by people who have so little self control that 4 years on they're still sniping unpleasant remarks at people who have done nothing more than express a different view to their own. Very sad.
 

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Many years ago I had a bad back problem caused by some building work I did with my father, I went to see a doctor and after an examination he pronounced me fit & well and nothing wrong me.
My written reply to him was that he was "mistaken" no insults or comments about his judgment only that he was mistaken. The people who voted to leave the EU were to my mind mistaken in their belief it would make for a better UK, they are not stupid they just got it wrong and time will prove that to be the case I believe.
 

pentiumofborg

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From this point, a Europhile government could easily negotiate the UK back in. Whether or not they'd negotiate a better deal than the one we've left, is anyone's guess. There would be an almighty furore in doing so (not least on this forum) - but ebikes would be cheaper.
 
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From this point, a Europhile government could easily negotiate the UK back in.
not necessary. For trade, customs union (like Turkey is inside EU customs union) is enough for goods to move cost effectively. Theresa May got that but her deal did not pass.
 

Wisper Bikes

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It's a shame that some grown adults can't have a factual discussion without making derogatory remarks about those that have a different political view to their own.

I voted remain for many reasons, but calling those who voted the other way "closed mind deniers" is not only insulting, but is exactly the type of rhetoric that pushed many middle-ground waverers to vote out.

What should have been an informative thread about the challenges that have arisen has been devalued by people who have so little self control that 4 years on they're still sniping unpleasant remarks at people who have done nothing more than express a different view to their own. Very sad.
I don’t think Flecc was referring to ALL those pro BREXIT just the few that on the BREXIT thread simply wouldn’t enter into a coherent discussion or give a reasoned argument regarding why we should leave.

Being one of those running one of the hundreds of thousands of small businesses, employing millions of people in the UK that is dependent on working closely with our friends in Europe, I too still don’t understand what the upside is of leaving. And I’ve asked many people many times to explain. It’s very frustrating when those pro Brexit can’t or won’t explain their position, it’s no wonder tempers become frayed.

All the best, David

Flecc I don’t mean to put words in your mouth! This is simply my opinion.
 

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I don’t think Flecc was referring to ALL those pro BREXIT just the few that on the BREXIT thread simply wouldn’t enter into a coherent discussion or give a reasoned argument regarding why we should leave.

Being one of those running one of the hundreds of thousands of small businesses, employing millions of people in the UK that is dependent on working closely with our friends in Europe, I too still don’t understand what the upside is of leaving. And I’ve asked many people many times to explain. It’s very frustrating when those pro Brexit can’t or won’t explain their position, it’s no wonder tempers become frayed.

All the best, David

Flecc I don’t mean to put words in your mouth! This is simply my opinion.
Exactly David, and I keep hearing the word 'sovereignty' bantered about like people think it means something these days (Boris I'm looking at you!)

I personally think the world works better, when there is a collective mindset on everyday global issues. The issue highlighted in this thread will cause some individuals great hardship. The small businesses that go under due to the import/export fiasco. The casual eBay or Amazon seller, who sells globally to earn a few pennies to supplement low wages.
The worker that relies on their electric bike to commute, but is waiting for weeks for spare parts to come from Europe.

Detaching ourselves from the EU will just alienate England from Europe. I say England, because I forsee at some stage, Scotland and Wales will become independant. The Republic of Ireland already is, and you might as well say Northern Ireland is too.

As with your comments, mine are just my opinion and hopefully don't offend anyone. But after living and working in Germany for 16 years and liaising with many nations as part of my job, I see no value in sovereignty.
 

flecc

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I voted remain for many reasons, but calling those who voted the other way "closed mind deniers" is not only insulting, but is exactly the type of rhetoric that pushed many middle-ground waverers to vote out.
Perhaps you need to open your mind and read the opening pages of the thread I linked to. There you will see the closed mind denial of apolitical factual information I'd posted which gave its name to to this thread.

I'm very happy for others to have a different political opinion, as I've posted before I've voted across party lines all my life according to circumstances, but your posted dislike of my above factual comment is your attempt to suppress my opinion of unjustifiable comments under the guise of good manners.
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