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There was a older lady being pushed around the supermarket today,a young EU girl was pushing the wheelchair,clearly the girl carer was Eastern European. The girl was helping the lady load her shopping,they were discussing Brexit amongst the queue. I asked the girl if she felt comfortable in this country after our government were committed to restricting immigrants such as her to coming to our country,she replied that she felt the UK was no longer a future for her. The old lady said she was a lovely girl and was helping her so much. I asked the old lady if she had voted in the referendum....she said she had voted Leave. I pointed out to her that the girl who was helping her so much was an immigrant and Leave meant she was no longer wanted here....the old lady replied that she only wanted the blacks to be kicked out! KudosDave

I have the switch but no light or battery... LoL Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk

Hello Wanted to add some feedback on my recent purchase of my first eMTB a Cube Stereo Hybrid 160 HPA Action Team, I tried a Haibike XDuro Pro while on holiday in Greece (Santorini) and instantly thought this is something else!... So the hunt began for an eMTB that matched my criteria see this thread for more details (good mtb capability 140mm+ travel and around £3700). I started internet hunting after dropping in a handful of local dealers to get some more dealers to try call in on and call, I've got to be honest locally (Yorkshire) the range stocked in-store is poor 1,2 maybe 3 bikes for my requirements. I managed to find a dealer (Race Co Cycles - Stourbridge) who I must give a shout out to, For me a 270 mile round trip but had Lapierre, Haibike and Cube eBikes in stock to try! SO if you looking and you can make the journey I highly recommend them, Paul did all he could to help and setup bikes to test instore. Anyway the bike!... So far ive done two rides, One completely off road and very hilly to test out climbing something i HATE! and it does take some getting used to, looking at hills and thinking I usually would but lets go! I've actually found myself thinking of hills I hate and would completely avoid becoming places I head for! I rode up an embankment that was around 25-30% for a good 400-500metre loose gravel, ruts and its was amazing to climb! I went for an "Enduro" range machine as I enjoy downhill/decents and ride singletrack and moorland and I have to say (I do have 160mm travel on this thing) man it flies! So capable of taking a hammering and very confidence inspiring. I do find in berms that I can feel that extra weight load of suspension and have to compensate slightly on entry and exit (Sometimes a little extra braking beforehand) but this is something I will get used to intime (I had the same with previous bikes, geometry effect body position). The extra weight during woodland/forests is not noticeable what so ever, Infact its position seems to assist in the placement of the bike. If bombing through the woods and weaving the bike seems to hold its intended place better (Im assuming its just the weight being transferred to tyres and "digging in"). I was somewhat worried that 160mm might not be the climbing machine I wanted, I was so wrong! Its genuinely at home going up as much as down them! Ride two was a more low key affair, local greenway with odd singletrack mixed in mainly on tour mode to gauge the range I can expect. So far ive been mainly using the Eco, Tour and occasionally Sport modes. Im yet to use Turbo but hoping tonight might present an opportunity! So far Ive done around 30miles since buying this weekend, Im out again on it with another friend who has bought on doing a first "full on" ride. Colours I have to say arent my usual choice of bike i prefer subtle! But Its their flagship model comes with Kashima coated forks, 4 pot brakes, reverb stealth dropper so I can see why they chose its and its growing on me! OH one thing I do hate about e-bikes sty fences etc (Jesus! and theres quite alot near me!) Any questions ask away

Apologies if this has been posted before. Think it looks pretty neat in a stormtroopery kinda way. http://www.sena.com/product/smart-cycling-helmet/

If you don't wan to cut and solder any wiring slide the threaded feral up out of the way, plug the switch in as required ( slide heat shrink on first) and just heat shrink to cover both joints. It should be enough to stop them from coming apart and be waterproof, Ideal if the green glow at the rear bugs you.

You know it is only rated for 40 kg of course... Mine will be getting new wheels and tyres next month and I am trying to figure if a 9 st labrador will fit, you may have answered that question

See any Bears?

20 miles round the Forest of Dean today. All the trails dry but not for much longer as we head towards winter? Small vid of me (orange helmet) Leigh style with the camera supported by trees...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRCuhF20w24

As the new owner of a Raliegh Motus , I am singing it's praises. With the weight you are carrying you need a bike with very strong brakes. The Motus is specified for up to 120Kg and you will be pretty close to that limit. The Motus has hydraulic brakes and these have excellent stopping power. Having had a scary moment this summer with cable brakes fading (on a conventional bike) , has coloured my judgement so I would recommend a bike with hydraulic brakes. I also think that ithe Motus has a strong frame. So I think that it should be considered , perhaps as a second hand buy. New it is above the limit you have mentioned. You will exercise more on a central motored torque sensing bike, but it need not be hard work. The gears on the Motus allow very low pressures on the knee. Similar to an exercise bike on the lowest setting.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/191436348323?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&var=490530887695&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT i got it so it turns that lcd screen on as well then to the light. batt switch lcd meter light

Good to hear you enjoyed the e-bikes. I think they are game changers after having road bikes 29ers etc. I ended up with a Haibike 27.5 full suss, still dialing in suspension.

The actual basic cargo trailer is from Ebay at £83. The bits i've added to carry a person, a seat and back taken off an office swivel chair and bolted on, added stiff rubber sides and 2 rear bicycle mudguards. To comply with the law, two triangular reflectors, lights and a flag. She says it is so comfy and i don't really know that i'm towing anything! The only other bicycle trailer law requirement is that you obviously must be able to show that the bicycle brakes are good enough to stop within a reasonable distance. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Ouch! And no motor? The pinion box sells retail for slightly lower price than the Rohloff and this bike has absolutely everything mounted standard. I love the number of rivnuts mounted as standard! A compact hub motor with the Gates freewheel cog is the only thing missing!

Not only is my Big Bear gripping well now, i have adapted a trailer to carry the 9st missus or 65kg of dog food, and it pulls well uphill with that too!http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161005/53904e87add15929e2572f8ef6256df1.jpg Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

UK's trade deficit running at 5.9% of GDP at present and will get worse pretty soon when the lower value of the Pound forces us to pay much more for imports than we gain in exports, all because we don't have spare export capacity. I doubt that brexiters care that much about the economy. http://fortune.com/2016/10/04/pound-sterling-brexit/

the Gtech frame is too small for your 6ft7 and its motor too small for 18st with creaky knees. Within your budget, check out the £999 Woosh Big Bear. It is not a small bike but may still be too small for you. You would feel more comfortable on the Woosh Zephyr-B, but at £1,049 is over your budget. Woosh Big Bear: 15AH battery, Bafang BPM motor, mudgards, rack, lights and bell. http://wooshbikes.co.uk/?bigbear http://wooshbikes.co.uk/2016/bigbear/bigbear.jpg

Having ridden 'normal bikes for years, I found I could no longer manage due to a longstanding injury, so decided to buy my first ebike, an Urban Mover with 24 ins wheels-can't remember model no. I got it from Bolton Electric bike centre and it allowed me to cycle again so I loved it. I had gone there to look at Powercycle and they had the UM in which suited me a lot better. After a few years the battery wasn't so good so a change was due. I wanted something that looked less like an Ebike and had full size wheels, eventually deciding on a Giant Twist lite over a Raleigh something and a Batribike. A local bike shop ordered it for me without obligation and it felt good on a test ride. After three years good service it was still going well with only the slightest reduction in the battery capacity. An opportunity arose to change it and I had a buyer lined up for the Giant, so this time I wanted something that would give me more power on hills and my budget just stretched to a Bosch system, the Captus mentioned above. I had looked at a Cube, and a Giant, also the Wisper torque, but choose the Captus because of the Bosch motor, and the torque sensor, which is considerably better starting off and on hills than the sensor on my Giant. Happy with it so far. R

Thanks Clara, we have ten years more experience in the market to GTech so understand a little more about Ebikes. I am sure the GTech bikes will get better in the next generation if there is one. All the best, David

I should point out that our new generation Wisper 805 Torque folding bikes now have rear wheel drive and 8 speed cassette gears. We found having the motor on the front wheel with such a high torque motor made the front wheel prone to spinning if the rider started off in assist mode 3 or 4 on gravel, and there was a slight gyroscopic effect. Although I personally loved the bike we felt rear wheel drive was the best option. All the best, David

Just had my refund confirmed. Hoping they still turn up. Lol.

May and co prove the old saying and give it a new twist. Power corrupts But Brexit corrupts absolutely Now that would make a good T shirt slogan.

https://onion.io/ At the moment I am looking at this Linux computer. At $5 it could be pretty awesome inside the controller of a bike...

Hi I finally discovered where it is. The registration number on the Motus is On the bottom of the saddle post , close to the motor and and on the side facing the rear mudguard. I only found it by luck , the sun shining from an oblique angle.

http://www.gitane.com/e-bike-gitane.html Gitane (translation: gypsy woman) isn't only a cigarette brand! One of the traditional bike manufacturers. This one is pretty funky, I have only seen it in the showroom http://www.gitane.com/signature-mixte-en-detail-1-86.html Neomouve have jumped on the e-bike bandwagon at the beginning of the century, I like this Brose powered one: http://neomouv.fr/velos/Nova-brose.asp And you have Matra who are historically the pioneers I believe, Peugeot of course, Moustache high end chic, etc...

scrutiny cuts both ways: everyone remember the snatch land rover debacle in Afghanistan/Iraq. I used to be a conscript in an impoverished African country, who's GDP was probably around 5% of the UK's. It wouldn't dream of putting its soldiers in those kind of combat environments in a snatch land rover. we had some basic but surprisingly mine/IED/up to 50 cal resistant armoured vehicles. anyhow, I think we're all agreed on it being the UK government's dereliction in its duty of care, miserably. here is an example of it trying to avoid responsibility for it, for having happened in a foreign country http://ukscblog.com/case-comment-smith-ors-v-ministry-of-defence-2013-uksc-41/ as I say, more scrutiny is a good thing when dealing with a government that behaves worse than any of the alleged vermin you refer to.

It'll never take off. ..

It's pretty cool that they change from green to red, when in need of a charge.

Think I've found you the perfect bike, and yes it's electric Joking aside, welcome to the forum. You're in good hands here!

I have seen the tech. It looks like a nice bike, but It also seems to make quite a noise. My 806 on the other hand is absolutely silent.

should get a better view with this http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk37/necromunger666/DSC_0447.jpg

Had my first chain drop today. It was on a fast, steep, very rocky descent and hasn't happened before on that stretch with the Levo but then it never happened with my Cube. Unsure whether it's due the the FS Cube soaking up more of the bumps than the HT Levo, the XX1 on the Cube having a more effective clutch than the GX on the Levo, or whether it was pure coincidence and won't happen again. One thing I did notice is that the chain guide is wider than it should be and allowed the chain to slip down the side. I couldn't push it back through the gap though, so had to remove the guide to re-mount the chain on the chainwheel. Only a 3 minute job end to end, but a little annoying when remounting a chain should take 2 seconds. Otherwise, however, the bike performed flawlessly and I'm still loving it.

if you ride a steep climb non stop then its going to pull the same power just cut out after 15mph. also it did go as high as 18 amps remember with a dongle you can use a lower power setting and not have it cut out it still will use a bit more batt but not that much. the tipping point for me anyway is over 25mph then it nukes the batt if you keep hammering it at those speeds. you will still get around 20ish miles out of it tho.

I've had one of these for a couple of months. Prior to that I had a Haibike Xduro Allmtn Pro for 18 months. Apart from the fact that it's a hardtail, it's better than the Haibike in almost every way. I had a lot of problems with the Haibike - the motor was replaced twice (the first one failed and the second got very noisy), the bearings were very poor quality and corroded easily, cable rub attacked the frame after just a few miles, the rear shock was exposed to stone strikes, the Nyon bezel disappeared without trace, the chain rubbed on the motor cover and the gearing was all wrong. The 16 tooth chainwheel on Bosch Haibikes is internally geared by a factor of 2.5, making it 40 tooth equivalent. That's far too large. I spent most of my time using just half of the cassette.The gearing on the Levo is so much better. I can climb some slopes that I couldn't manage on the Haibike and am using every cog on the cassette. Moreover, the build quality and design of the Levo is night and day better, and makes the Haibikes look extremely overpriced. Unfortunately, I found the ride of a hardtail too harsh for me on technical trails, and the matt black paint finish rather vulnerable, so am trading it in next week for the Levo FSR Expert. I did however get it wrapped by Lee at Invisiframe in Shrewesbury, who did a superb job (highly recommended), so the next owner will have some protection from scraoes and scratches!

I thought this may be of interest to some of you regarding the Brose system and Specialized's specific implementation of it. Specialized have an app, called Mission Control, which you can download to your mobile and then connect to the bike via Bluetooth. The app enables you to configure certain parameters, monitor ride stats, navigate via sat nav, etc. However, the power configuration is rather interesting. This is the screen where you configure your assist levels: http://i.imgur.com/BxJq6Cl.jpg However, it's not as straight forward as it first appears. The acceleration response is the easy one, it's how quickly the bike accelerates. I've set this to Eco as it feels really natural when setting off, rather than lurching forward with what feels like immediate max torque. The max motor current represents the maximum number of watts the motor will provide. So, at 100% the max assist watts the motor will provide is apparently 450W, at 90% the motor would never give your more than 405W, at 80% no more than 360W, etc.. That brings us on to the assist levels themselves which work slightly different to how I thought they did. The assist % does NOT restrict the maximum number of watts the motor will provide, so you can get the full 450W of assist whether you have set an assist level of 50% or 100%. Bear with me... The assist % essentially defines the rider input levels at which you receive a given level of motor assist. The motor can provide a maximum of c.300W per 100W of rider input, so: - at 50% assist, total power equals 100W rider input plus (300W X 50%) motor assist = total 250W - at 100% assist, total power equals 100W rider input plus (300W X 100%) motor assist = total 400W If rider input increases to 150W: - at 50% assist, total power equals 150W rider input plus (450W X 50%) motor assist = total 375W - at 100% assist, total power equals 150W rider input plus (450W X 100%) motor assist = total 600W Therefore, at 100% assist level and only 150W rider input, the motor is providing its maximum output of 450W. Any more rider input will not come with a commensurate increase in motor output as it is already maxed out. However, at 50% assist level, increasing rider input over 150W does come with a commensurate increase in motor output as it still has more to give. Whilst the max motor output of 450W is achieved at 150W rider input at the 100% assist level, max motor output can also be achieved in 50% assist level if rider input reaches 300W. The relationship between rider input and engine output is shown in this table: http://i.imgur.com/g4ejwXo.jpg And if you understand all that first time through, I applaud you!

Ok, so a few more pics and additional information... The bar is really sparse with no computer screen or bar mounted assist mode selector. I really like the simplicity, the lack of clutter and not constantly looking at ride stats, etc. although I will use my old Garmin on certain rides. However, this does come with the compromise of a more fiddly process to change the assist mode (which we'll come on to shortly). http://i.imgur.com/lw1CV4m.jpg So this is the downtube mounted user interface. It is super simple with a plus and minus sign to change assist mode and each green light representing 10% battery increments. Again, it's really neat and integrated, but comes with the compromise that having to reach for the downtube when in motion isn't ideal and the buttons can be a tad fiddly when wearing gloves. Specialized do sell (yes, you have to buy it) a bar mounted remote but I'm going to see how I get on without it first given how much I like the uncluttered bar. http://i.imgur.com/YITuamy.jpg Next is the battery. Whilst I never experienced any rattling with my Bosch battery, I seem to recall one or two people complaining of that in the past. I can see little chance of that happening with the Levo as the battery mounts under tension using a thru axle and feels incredibly secure. It is also also IP67 waterproof rated. As a potential compromise, the battery is not locked in place... and unscrewing a thru axle is a bit more of a faff than a simple key turn. The battery itself is 460Wh on my Levo. The battery is also both Bluetooth and ANT+ enabled so the Mission Control app on my iPhone connects to configure various stuff (e.g. the assist levels) and it connects to my Garmin via ANT+ on a fake channel to show the remaining battery percentage to the nearest 1% (yes, that's 1%). http://i.imgur.com/UAkB72v.jpg There are no frame mounted cables whatsoever - everything is run internally within the frame. Sorry for the rubbish photo, but you can make out the cables mounted to the inside of the downtube which are protected by the battery, but easy to get to with the battery removed. I dislike the look of frame mounted cables, so this solution dealt really well with my cable OCD. http://i.imgur.com/1CGyJxr.jpg I really like the 27.5+ tyres - they're 3" wide and inspire a lot of confidence. Equally, in my quest for a hardtail, I though the extra volume would provide a little more comfort on the more aggressive trails... and they really do. I expect to see quite a few more plus size hardtails on offer in manufacturers' 2017 product lines. The tyre in the photo below makes the massive 200mm rotor look quite small. The photo looking down at the tyre I don't think quite does the size justice. http://i.imgur.com/ou1RCVQ.jpg http://i.imgur.com/tqyoGF6.jpg And finally, as I know a lot of you like downtube mounted bottle holders... here is mine! I don't actually use it though as I always have a hydration pack on my back with my toolkit, etc. This bottle holder is part of Specialized's SWAT offering (Storage, Water, Air, Tools) and has a small tool mounted to the underside. I was hoping the Levo would come with a chain tool integrated into the top cap too, but it didn't. :-( http://i.imgur.com/mraV3z1.jpg That's it for now - just need to find the time to get out and ride it properly! That will be this coming weekend at the very latest.

Thanks all - I'll get a few more detailed pics up over the next few days as there are some pretty cool bits and bobs on the bike that I believe may be of interest to some of you. You're absolutely right - I'll be out next weekend come rain or shine and the bike will be put through its paces! I'll remember to get some good pics for the MTB thread. I love my bike getting filthy as it means I'm using it properly, but I also enjoy giving it a good clean so thanks for the heads up re: Fork Juice. The matte black colour scheme is going to be a bugger to keep clean, but I've bought some matte helicopter frame tape which should arrive in the next few days and I intend to (at least partially) wrap the frame and forks - not done this before so it will either work or it won't depending on my wrapping skills, but worth a go for a few pounds. As for the Reverb Stealth, I had one on my recently sold Cube and it was superb. I've not tried my new (cable rather than hydraulic) TransX in anger yet. It'll get some heavy use next weekend though so I'll see how it performs and decide from there. I wrote up my thoughts on this bike (including the motor) in post number 12 of this thread: http://www.pedelecs.co.uk/forum/threads/new-specialized-turbo-levo-models-hardtails-fat-bikes.24164/ Regarding torque, for which I'm aware there is limited measurement consistency between manufacturers, Brose report 90Nm. Ignoring the numbers and going purely by feel, there is a real kick from the motor and I have absolute confidence attacking certain trail inclines which I have no right to succeed on - the Brose motor is up there with the best I've tried when it comes to torque. From the testing I've done thus far I do, however, feel that the Bosch motor is just a little more 'polished' - it's a little more tuned in to what I want it to do and when I want it to do it, it backs off the torque automatically when changing gear, etc. However, the Brose motor is pretty much silent, more natural somehow (which could be partly because you can't hear it) and is more configurable through the Specialized app. The Bosch and the Brose both have advantages and disadvantages over one another. It will be interesting to see how my opinions develop as I use the Turbo Levo more over the coming months.

Whilst it's not a lot in the scheme of things when compared to those that use their e-bikes for the daily grind, the KTM Macina Lycan GPS+ hit the 1,000mile mark a couple of days ago. It's still not bad mileage considering my relatively short time of ownership, along with the fact that it only gets used for off road fun at weekends and evenings. I'm also using the pedal mtb once or twice a week, so the figure would have been reached sooner had this not been the case. It's been a good and enjoyable 1,000miles, and of late I have gained many friends by using it as a search tool for a locally missing dog. This week saw things slightly dampened for me, as whilst out searching, I have discovered something not very nice in a local woodland. Something that has now become a police investigation. Anyway, enough of depressing myself and back to the bike, here is how the bike pretty much celebrated hitting the1,000mile mark. http://i973.photobucket.com/albums/ae217/eddiejefferies/z1a_zpsxp7x7yt6.jpg Credit has to be given to KTM for producing a bike that seemingly just shrugs incidents such as the above off, with just a straightening of the bars being the only thing that is ever required. The ride of the bike still feels as tight as it did on day one, but this in part is down to the fact that maintenance never gets neglected. It is only now that things are starting to dry out, that the full suspension is becoming a practical asset, and the Fox set up front and rear work exceptionally well together. In some respects I still love hard tails more though. The Shimano Deore XT brakes work phenomenally well, and pad replacement is a doddle. This is just as well, given the frequency of replacement. An aspect that is down to my riding and nothing more. The gears have remained precise, although gear changing is certainly a clunky affair. This leads me to one of my pet hates of the motor. I'm still no fan of the Bosch system, and I feel that the internal gearing is completely wrong for e-mtb use, with far too much time being spent in the first two gear ratios, which in turn has a couple of very negative effects. Firstly the wear rate of both the front sprocket and first two ratios of the cassette is in truth very high. The second negative, is that the chain run is hardly ever straight. This is something that also bugs me. From speaking to other e-mtb riders and from reading forums, both issues are an across all brands problem. Chain suck created by the small sprocket size is also another cross all brands issue, and it's my belief that it also caused my outer bearing to fail. All credit to both KTM and Bosch for sorting this out within in a matter of days. Thank you. Hopefully both issues are only ever going occur on a minority of cross brand bikes and users, but it is an issue that shouldn't happen in the first place. Now that the weather is better and the ground is getting drier, down hill speed has increased, and another un mentioned Bosch issue has reared it's ugly head. The chain jumps off the front sprocket. Thanks Bosch, if it isn't chain suck, then it's a jumping chain. I have cured the chain suck by adding a chain catcher, and the rear clutch mech does help to prevent most of the chain jumping, but not all, and it always happens at the most inconvenient of moments. One of my previous gripes about the Bosch motor, was noise. I'm pleased to say that this motor is very nice and relatively quiet. It's certainly quieter than it ever was prior to the bearing replacement, so perhaps it was faulty from new. Having said that, I am concerned that there is already rocking movement within the new motor as well. Leading on to battery life and performance, battery duration can be disappointing. Performance costs, and the extra 12Nm of torque over that of the active line does cane the battery. I can kill the battery in about 20 miles of use if using it continuously in tour mode, whilst the active line motor that is fitted to a second bike that I currently have the use of, seemingly goes on forever, or for at least until I've had enough. Being frugal with usage, the most range that I have had from the Macina is 47 miles. This was completed using a mix of eco and no assist. At this point and talk of mileage/range, the bikes comfort is brilliant. It just doesn't seem to get uncomfortable, and the saddle has to be the best that I have ever sat upon. In the past, I have suffered with shoulder ache and tension on bikes, but I get none of this on the KTM. The handling of the bike, is far better than that of my own ability, but obviously it's never going to be as agile a non electric mtb. On this bike, you tend to plough through, rather than over, and it just plugs away through mud like a tractor on full bore. It's a very addictive and fun bike to use, and whilst it has flaws such as the chain run being too close to the swing arm, and limited tyre clearance on the rear, I'd still happily buy another should this one ever be stolen*. Work was a bit screwed up today, so I decided that as the bike had hit the 1,000mile mark, that I would finally carry out a job that I have been threatening to do almost from day one of ownership. Get rid of NYON, and replace it with Intuvia. It only took about half an hour to do. http://i973.photobucket.com/albums/ae217/eddiejefferies/DSCF1136_zpsaxvm0ojl.jpg It's certainly an improvement on looks and e-mtb practicality. It would be even nicer if Bosch offered a dedicated e-mtb unit that was about he size of a wrist watch. On an e-mtb, you only need to know the battery level and power setting. http://i973.photobucket.com/albums/ae217/eddiejefferies/u3_zpskvolh60x.jpg The bike still scrubs up well despite the hard life that it is receiving. http://i973.photobucket.com/albums/ae217/eddiejefferies/u1_zpsoaryqx6n.jpg http://i973.photobucket.com/albums/ae217/eddiejefferies/u2_zps8fiumuby.jpg *I'd love a Rotwild as well, but we all love to dream.

Tillson, if we run a trade deficit, then 20% loss value of the Pound increases the import costs by 20% while export earnings will also go up by 20%, the deficit will grow by 20%. The politicians may call this 20% increase in export value a triumph for brexit but they'll try to play down the 20% increase in imports at the same time. This effect is normally mitigated by increase in export volume but because we don't have spare capacity, we can't increase export volume. Our export receipts are still only 20% more than before. Ergo, deficit will grow by 20%, the BoE has or is running out of ammunition.

Yet another thing that you are wrong about. I have held KOMs using my peddle mtb, both on road and off road. All of which I have had to work hard to get, all of which I have taken time to study to work out where time can be gained or lost, all of which I have chosen particular weather to ride, and all of which have been ridden at chosen times of the day or night for maximum advantage, all of which I have set up the bike to take advantage, and all of which have been ridden using my brain first. Even during the Swiss trip, I watched quietly studying mtb riders tackling various down hill sections, and was critical of technique and style. To this end and with little effort on my part, I gained a tenth fastest time out of 120 riders, down this 2 mile mixed segment. That might not have been a KOM, and I would never have been able to gain the KOM, but I saw it as very good and note worthy achievement, for the simple fact that it proved my theory of how you don't need speed to get a fast time, you need to first and foremost use your brain. The pedal assist was turned off before the segment, and not turned on or even required until after the segment end. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpnPBQqv8uU This isn't about me though, it is about the sort of ignorant and pathetic mentality that thinks that it is okay to use ebikes to gain Strava KOM's, when quite plainly it isn't. .

Tillson, It's the benefits. We are the mugs.

Theresa May started the conference with David Davis saying that control of immigration was the priority even if it meant quitting the single market. Now today only 2 days later,no doubt jilted by the very low value of the pound May suggested that business will have access to the single market. They obviously still don't know what they want out of exiting negotiations. Liam Fox's comment that the EU citizens in the UK are 'a bargaining card',I find using people as a bargaining chip as disgusting and disrespectful,no wonder UK are setting themselves up as a hated country,led by the Brexiters. I have noticed that Leavers will not have anything discussed that distracts from the goal of exiting the EU....if the Japs pull the plug on UK car manufacture,if the banks leave the city because of lack of passporting and the pound falls to parity with the dollar....none of this matters by Leavers just as long as we can stop students,hard working immigrants and NHS workers coming into the UK....ironically we need these migrants to keep our country running. KudosDave

I am not sure she can - but one thing for sure, she bores me to death with her speeches. She does come through much better on interviews though.

Mines on the frame visible when you remove the battery

Just remember two things and all will be well: 1) None of the doom which was predicted has happened. 2) None of the doom which was predicted will happen.

Wage rises have the greatest influence over inflation. I can't see runaway wage rises any time soon. I also heard on radio 4 this morning that a 10% devaluation in the pound translates to about 0.4% increase in food prices. With the devalued pound, products made and exported from the UK will also be very attractively priced abroad. There are some downsides, but I don't see any reason to get a cockstand about the negatives of BREXIT.

she is right on one point in her closing speech though. People who voted for brexit have been ignored for a very long time, they have now spoken and we have now to decide what kind of country we want it to be. Let's see how prepared brexiters are to face 20% drop in the value of the Pound and do the extra jobs of 180,000 EU immigrants a year.

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Linux mint 17 would do all you need and much more, also Zorin which was mentioned earlier in this thread. Both my laptop and desktop ran fine on W10 but after anniversary update the desktop wouldn't restart. I don't give up easily but after several lengthy re-installations without improvement I went back to using Linux Mint and love it. If you get to the point of deciding to buy a new computer, try installing a Linux system on your old one first and you may well be happy with it. It will be lightning fast and won't want to know what you had for breakfast. Dave.

I think the real abuse was going into Irak. Whose fault was that? Wouldn't it be a Labour PM of yours trying to make a name for himself in the history books? He is the one that should be in front of the ECHR for crimes against humanity.