Background info about these kits (thanks to Nealh & others) see https://www.pedelecs.co.uk/forum/threads/yosepower-hub-kits.30061/

Edited June 8, 20205 yr by Scorpio

After reading the thread above, I decided to put a Yose 350 rear hub kit onto a Spanish Mondraker for a "stealth" build, and I like it a lot!

 

The down tube battery has been fitted to a rear frame, the mounting doubles as a torque arm. Mounting the PAS sensor was tricky due to oversized down tube & derailleur on the seat tube, PAS disk is easily knocked out of position but is easily moved back.

 

The display is badged as Yosepower Y02, is this different to the KT lcd3 as I can't access the Pxx or Cxx menus using lcd3 instructions? Am I missing something obvious?

 

After my first ride (85km on first charge!) I’d like to change the speed "trigger points". I can set max speed OK. Assist #5 triggers when speed falls below max. Speed has to drop lower to trigger assist #3. Assist #2 is lower again. Ideally I'd like assist #2 to trigger as soon as speed falls below max. Is this possible?

 

Things I now know: "sans charger" in the advert means a basic charger made by Sans, not "without charger".

The freebie toolkit (Allen keys & casette hub tools) was helpful, no need for a crank puller as the split pas disk fits without removing the cranks.

Edited June 8, 20205 yr by Scorpio

Just a quick update as today marked 500kms (in just over 3 weeks), the bike is very smooth but some of the system configuration is not the way I’d like it.

https://www.pedelecs.co.uk/forum/threads/lishui-controller-and-lcd-vs-kt-controller-and-lcd.36444/

 

The good news is I’ve found a few new beaches - some just 3 miles away.

Sun is out, bike is working well, I’m happy !

hey where did you get the super bock grips, i want some

hey where did you get the super bock grips, i want some

Well spotted!!, I think they are bottle tops glued/fixed into grips. Do you remember when it was 5.6% Vol? Happy dayso_O

Well spotted!!, I think they are bottle tops glued/fixed into grips. Do you remember when it was 5.6% Vol? Happy dayso_O

Yes , just checked its 5.2% now they sneaked that past me in the last 12 years! Buggers,

They may be proper grips they are Portugal flag colour , muito bo m!

Well spotted!!, I think they are bottle tops glued/fixed into grips. Do you remember when it was 5.6% Vol? Happy dayso_O

If they are tops glued into the grips I have 2 cases in my Loja - (shed ) waiting to donte themselves, weird that here they prefer Sagres

I’m in Algarve, choice here is 50/50 split between SuperBock and Sagres. Bock has a malt taste similar to the dark beers I like in the UK.

Grips are diy from a cheap bar towel and some bits of scrap plumbing pipe.

Bar ends are same, caps glued onto plugs that fit inside the bars.

Just for fun

Edited August 15, 20205 yr by Scorpio

The bike is in regular use. Pic shows the kit, collecting 2x 5ft lights, inflatable paddle board on the back rack, and at a nearby pond. All good fun

The bike is in regular use. Pic shows the kit, collecting 2x 5ft lights, inflatable paddle board on the back rack, and at a nearby pond. All good fun

Muito bom!

I finally got the package of bits a mate in the UK had been collecting together for me - the new tyres are obvious, and my “ convert Lishui to KT” bundle is near complete - I just need a LCD3 display or similar (pm me if you have a spare )

Tyres link https://www.amazon.co.uk/s?i=merchant-items&me=AG47RZXX5HVAF&rh=p_4:CURIO+UK

 

The new tyres run a lot faster with less effort, great for the B-roads I’m normally using. I also found both my original tyre gauges were reading 15psi low so I’ve been running under 40psi - that with soft grippy tyres would explain my regular punctures. Oops

Edited September 22, 20205 yr by Scorpio

Today was my last big ride before I return to the uk next week, but it was something a bit special

I’ve now been to the west-most point of Europe and it’s lovely

85km round trip running at 10A max

 

The lighthouse at the corner of Europe ( Cape St Vincent @ Sagres)

 

Lunch was a well deserved hour on the beach at surfers paradise in Sagres

 

Costal fortifications in this area are amazing, this is Forte Beliche

 

Now I just need to decide what to do with the bike, leave it here for next time or take the motor kit back to uk and put it on a more suitable bike. Decisions

It looks to me as if Lisbon is well west of Cape St Vincent , and Estoril even more so. Even the westmost point of Spain is. (not to mention Ireland and Iceland, but perhaps you meant mainland Europe?)

 

A bit like Land's End which isn't the southmost or the westmost point of British mainland, but is the the most southwest.

 

Still, being westmost isn't that important; it looks an excellent place to go and I'm glad you enjoyed it.

Edited October 1, 20205 yr by sjpt

Today was my last big ride before I return to the uk next week, but it was something a bit special

I’ve now been to the west-most point of Europe and it’s lovely

85km round trip running at 10A max

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The lighthouse at the corner of Europe ( Cape St Vincent @ Sagres)

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Lunch was a well deserved hour on the beach at surfers paradise in Sagres

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Costal fortifications in this area are amazing, this is Forte Beliche

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Now I just need to decide what to do with the bike, leave it here for next time or take the motor kit back to uk and put it on a more suitable bike. Decisions

Looks stunning. How I've missed my annual European bike tour holiday this year :-(

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it looks like you're right, either something got lost in translation or the locals grasp of geography is as hazy as mine.

 

Regardless, Sagres is worth a trip for the views & beaches.

For anyone thinking of doing a conversion, I found the Yose kit very easy to fit and great value for money (but I notice the price has gone up from the £360 I paid earlier in the year to £430 now)

 

Contents of the kit

 

My main issue is that the kit has a speed-control system by Lushui, if I was buying again I’d choose a current-control system by KT for better control (and more efficient use of the battery power).

My main issue is that the kit has a speed-control system by Lushui, if I was buying again I’d choose a current-control system by KT for better control (and more efficient use of the battery power).

Have to disagree - I much prefer speed control as used in my (2019) Swytch conversion

Up to 9 (OK overkill) fully programmable levels - I just set to ~12.5mph at the start and rarely need to adjust it again.

 

Use of battery power? - 90 mile ride in the (admittedly flatter areas of the) Cotswolds and less than 100Whr battery used.

 

BUT!!

 

Yosepower's current offering of the Lishui is hopeless - 5 unadjustable levels with a high RPM motor means for UK/EU legal use (25kph limit) levels 3,4 and 5 are basically the same = just 2 speed levels???

 

This is unacceptable IMO and smacks of penny pinching by Yose - either give us the ability to adjust the speed (RPM) levels or (preferably) supply low RPM (201) motors for the markets with 25kph limits.

 

Given that, KT kit is preferable and I won't be using Yosepower again.

Have to disagree - I much prefer speed control as used in my (2019) Swytch conversion

Up to 9 (OK overkill) fully programmable levels - I just set to ~12.5mph at the start and rarely need to adjust it again.

 

Use of battery power? - 90 mile ride in the (admittedly flatter areas of the) Cotswolds and less than 100Whr battery used.

 

BUT!!

 

Yosepower's current offering of the Lishui is hopeless - 5 unadjustable levels with a high RPM motor means for UK/EU legal use (25kph limit) levels 3,4 and 5 are basically the same = just 2 speed levels???

 

This is unacceptable IMO and smacks of penny pinching by Yose - either give us the ability to adjust the speed (RPM) levels or (preferably) supply low RPM (201) motors for the markets with 25kph limits.

 

Given that, KT kit is preferable and I won't be using Yosepower again.

You can switch a KT controller between current control and speed control in the settings.

 

Basically, you're saying that you set the speed so low that it cut the power, so you were pedalling without assistance for most of those 90 miles. You can do the same with the KT controller by selecting level zero. the only difference is that you have to push a button or twist a throttle when you come to a hill.

 

The main difference between the two systems is that with current control, you can pedal as hard or as easy as you want to maintain any speed you want as long as your system has enough max power. With speed control, your pedal effort is much more dependent on the system, and, of course, you always waste power when accelerating form a start.

I haven't tried switching my KT controller - I saw it in the LCD3 menu but wasn't sure if the controller needed to match before it worked - are you sure about this?

 

Agreed but the difference is that between the relatively 'flat' Cotswolds and the very unflat Exmoor where I live the PAS setting for speed control is the same - set to 12.5mph and leave it. On a flat or reasonably undulating terrain I wouldn't use the e-bikes anyway.

 

Around here where it is a constant up and down, 'pushing a button' is a virtually continuous activity - high assist to get up the hills and then back down again. It's a bit like driving an automatic v manual car - if you like fiddling around then fine, I don't, but each to their own.

 

Wasting power whilst accelerating is a fair (though very minor) point against speed control but must be balanced against the unnecessary waste of power before turning the assist off when not needed - with speed control it's automatic.

I haven't tried switching my KT controller - I saw it in the LCD3 menu but wasn't sure if the controller needed to match before it worked - are you sure about this?

 

Agreed but the difference is that between the relatively 'flat' Cotswolds and the very unflat Exmoor where I live the PAS setting for speed control is the same - set to 12.5mph and leave it. On a flat or reasonably undulating terrain I wouldn't use the e-bikes anyway.

 

Around here where it is a constant up and down, 'pushing a button' is a virtually continuous activity - high assist to get up the hills and then back down again. It's a bit like driving an automatic v manual car - if you like fiddling around then fine, I don't, but each to their own.

 

Wasting power whilst accelerating is a fair (though very minor) point against speed control but must be balanced against the unnecessary waste of power before turning the assist off when not needed - with speed control it's automatic.

P3=1 is current control and P3=0 is speed control. It's as simple as that.

The thread seems to bounce around a bit, or maybe It my lack of attention to reading all the posts, which go back a few years.

I have a front wheel conversion from Yosepower which was bought on the cheap in AUGUST 20 just to convert a spare ally MTB I had, which had a decent spec when I bought it back in the mid 2000's

I also have an ebike I built and modded back in 2009. which is still going fine, front wheel and probably a 350w motor running a Lyen 15a controller at 36v sourced from Ecrazyman

The YosePower is can bus , plug n play and was up and running in about an hour and a half.

Its got the LCD display (C500) , but as stated earlier- you cant really do much with it except adjust the PAS levels.

 

Its also not as powerful as my 'old faithful' But I get more of a workout!

 

I will be interested to upgrade/replace the controller at some stage and maybe the display, reading this- as I know the motor is capable of more.

 

I assume my options are limited to the KT range, due to the simplistic can-bus wiring?

These kits are not CANbus like Bosch, Shimano or Yamaha etc,etc, any generic battery can be used. The only part that is semi Canbus (if use wish t call it that) is controller/display which need the same matching programming protocols supplied via the tx/rx lines.

All or most digital comms are like that on kits but at least it means you are not tied to a dealer or any particular battery type, if changing controller then all that is needed is a compatible display. In the case of KT some vendors use opposing M/F connectors so always bets to buy from the same vendor.

Yosepower's current offering of the Lishui is hopeless - 5 unadjustable levels with a high RPM motor means for UK/EU legal use (25kph limit) levels 3,4 and 5 are basically the same = just 2 speed levels???

 

When I asked Yose for the RPM (rear 350w) I received this reply:

 

"Hello,

the motor for 700C has RPM 230-250."

When I asked Yose for the RPM (rear 350w) I received this reply:

 

"Hello,

the motor for 700C has RPM 230-250."

Unless my sums are wrong, using the quoted level settings this gives speeds of 8,11,14,17 and 20mph with 240rpm wheel, and this agrees with my measurements.

 

This is exactly my beef, with 15.5mph limit levels 3,4 and 5 are basically the same. The 26" wheel is even worse.

 

Using the KT's % level settings, assuming they are the same when set to speed control it is even worse than Lishui (IMO) giving 2,4,6,9 and 19mph ??

 

I can see now why speed control isn't most peoples favourite - my Swytch controller is the only one I would recommend, up to 9 levels, all user settable.

Edited October 24, 20205 yr by Philg93

Unless my sums are wrong, using the quoted level settings this gives speeds of 8,11,14,17 and 20mph with 240rpm wheel, and this agrees with my measurements.

 

This is exactly my beef, with 15.5mph limit levels 3,4 and 5 are basically the same. The 26" wheel is even worse.

 

Using the KT's % level settings, assuming they are the same when set to speed control it is even worse than Lishui (IMO) giving 2,4,6,9 and 19mph ??

 

I can see now why speed control isn't most peoples favourite - my Swytch controller is the only one I would recommend, up to 9 levels, all user settable.

 

With the KT you are confusing the % levels as they are for the current supplied and not the speed supplied. With KT in current control mode one gets max speed in all 5 assist levels. I can't tell you what the speeds are in each level using speed control mode as I have neve tried it.