October 7, 20232 yr MID drive all t5he way just google MID drive or hub drive to see how many IN THE KNOW will say it beats hub hans down I haven't driven a Bugatti Veyron to know it would be no good for me wither and have ridden FRONT and REAR hubs and they are crap compared to my mid, so don't assume because you will always either be wrong or sound stupid assuming what others do without actual facts. I said before here, you or someone come off road MTBing with me, I'll use my mid drive you chose front/rear and we will see. I took your advice and checked out Google to see what people said about crank vs hub motor. It took me all morning. Here are the results: Out of the people that knew what they were talking about, 5 said crank motors were better and 18 said hub-motors. Out of those that didn't know what they were taking about, 13 said crank motors were better and zero said hubs. I therefore conclude that the evidence from Google shows that hubs are better. QED. Edited October 7, 20232 yr by saneagle
October 7, 20232 yr I assume you are an american or just some obnoxious human, see my SIGNATURE "Autistic and proud " do you have a problem with Autistic disabled people you appear to ?
October 7, 20232 yr I said before here, you or someone come off road MTBing with me, I'll use my mid drive you chose front/rear and we will see. Most of the world's cyclists don't live in Wales or ever go MTBing, so please stop giving bad advice by insisting mid drive is best. For the majority of cyclists in the majority of circumstances, rear hub drive is best for many sound reasons, but for SOME like yourself it isn't. Your choice is fine for you at present with your very obvious lack of extensive experience of pedelecs, but it would be an inferior choice for most commuters and the majority of leisure cyclists. No people and country are more cycling experienced than the Dutch in The Netherlands, where 70% own a bicycle and 48% currently cycle every day. That experience extends to assisted cycling with e-bikes which they were first doing in the 1930s before anyone else even knew such things existed, and today they have the largest sales of pedelecs pro rata to population in the world. And the two largest bicycle manufacturing groups in the western world are both Dutch, that's Accell Group and Pon Holdings, between them owning and producing a huge range of the best known brands in a number of countries. With all that vast knowledge and experience the Dutch mainly choose to ride hub motor pedelecs. .
October 7, 20232 yr I assume you are an american or just some obnoxious human, see my SIGNATURE "Autistic and proud " do you have a problem with Autistic disabled people you appear to ? As another neurodiviergent, I am telling you you're being rude. Being autistic does not mean you can be rude.
October 8, 20232 yr Saracen's replies due to his autism is what is expected of someone with this disibility, a blinkered one way insight as to the way their minds think and rasionalise things, It is an inibility to except others findings or to except resonable sound discussion. Forum users need to take in to account his postings and not berate/belittle him , we just have to accept this is his view and no matter what we may say he may never agree with. As I have mentioned I have used hub bikes in hilly conditions and off road in the wilds of the beuatiful South Downs where one sees little else in bike or people traffic and they worked fine, for some though you will never convince them and they will be led by the mid drive clan and none more so then the short sighted LBS's who are tied to the main brands.
October 8, 20232 yr Most of the world's cyclists don't live in Wales or ever go MTBing, so please stop giving bad advice by insisting mid drive is best. For the majority of cyclists in the majority of circumstances, rear hub drive is best for many sound reasons, but for SOME like yourself it isn't. Your choice is fine for you at present with your very obvious lack of extensive experience of pedelecs, but it would be an inferior choice for most commuters and the majority of leisure cyclists. No people and country are more cycling experienced than the Dutch in The Netherlands, where 70% own a bicycle and 48% currently cycle every day. That experience extends to assisted cycling with e-bikes which they were first doing in the 1930s before anyone else even knew such things existed, and today they have the largest sales of pedelecs pro rata to population in the world. And the two largest bicycle manufacturing groups in the western world are both Dutch, that's Accell Group and Pon Holdings, between them owning and producing a huge range of the best known brands in a number of countries. With all that vast knowledge and experience the Dutch mainly choose to ride hub motor pedelecs. . The Netherlands is as flat as a pancake, therefore I'm not at all surprised the Dutch mostly choose hub motored pedelecs. I would. With 26% of the country below sea level, easier breathing. Even towing of very heavy trailers would be possible with flatness as far as the eye can see in all directions.
October 8, 20232 yr Saracen's replies due to his autism is what is expected of someone with this disibility Autism can sometimes be an advatage: https://www.youtube.com/@DavesGarage/videos
October 8, 20232 yr The Netherlands is as flat as a pancake, therefore I'm not at all surprised the Dutch mostly choose hub motored pedelecs. I would. With 26% of the country below sea level, easier breathing. Even towing of very heavy trailers would be possible with flatness as far as the eye can see in all directions. Precisely my point to Saracen, his saying only mid drives are any good is thoroughly bad advice for the majority of the world's cyclists, given how much more expensive on average they are to buy and run over time and so often unnecessary. However I fear you've discounted headwinds, which over the polders in the Netherlands are truly fearsome with no land based obstructions to impede them. .
October 8, 20232 yr Forum users need to take in to account his postings and not berate/belittle him , we just have to accept this is his view and no matter what we may say he may never agree with. No. I am also neurodivergent and live with someone with autism. I welcome someone pointing out a social cue when I am being rude. I may disagree and continue, but being neurodivergent does not give me permission to behave badly.
October 8, 20232 yr When people post crap, it must be called out and stopped because many people read and many have no frame of reference, so they believe what they read.
October 9, 20232 yr When people post crap, it must be called out What, like recommending wellington boots on a motorbike?
October 9, 20232 yr What, like recommending wellington boots on a motorbike? Yes indeed, but it's a matter of nomenclature. In the smart motorcycling world we don't say wellingtons, we say dairy boots, just like they do in dairy farming. They're excellent for motorcycling. The upstairs large clothing department of the swish Honda m/c dealer in my area always has a range of dairy boots on show. .
October 9, 20232 yr What, like recommending wellington boots on a motorbike? I used to use German Paratropper boots for that - Gore-tex lining, and after a good going over with Nikwax, the leather became very supple and waterproof. They're great while their Vibram soles remain on. https://www.militarykit.com/products/german-army-paratroopers-boots?variant=7467199135802
October 9, 20232 yr I used to use German Paratropper boots for that - Gore-tex lining, and after a good going over with Nikwax, the leather became very supple and waterproof. They're great while their Vibram soles remain on. https://www.militarykit.com/products/german-army-paratroopers-boots?variant=7467199135802 Yes well I couldn't resist having a bit of fun. I don't really want to get on the wrong side of saneagle, he has too much knowledge and advice for me to get blocked. I wore wellies with a pair of waterproof overtrousers for years on my commute on my CZ175 that I paid £20 for, this was back in the eighties, the bike was old even then. Years later when I could afford decent bikes I got proper boots, saved my foot one day when I came off my GPZ900R. My son had those German boots for when he went pillion.
October 9, 20232 yr I've done well over 1/2 million miles on motorbikes, riding in all weathers, sometimes very long distances, like 650 miles in a day. I used to do all the big winter rallies. I never sat in the driving seat of a car until I was near 30 years old. I can tell you that nothing comes close to a pair of wellies to keep your feet warm and dry. Also, if you want to keep the rest of you dry, one of those yellow pvc builders suits are difficult to beat. They don't cost much, but they need to be replaced every two years because the UV light eventually makes them brittle. They're still cheaper than anything you'd get in a motorbike shop in the long run. here you can see them in action 900 miles from home during a 2 1/2 thousand mile trip. Note how dry my back is! Edited October 9, 20232 yr by saneagle
October 9, 20232 yr I assume you are an american or just some obnoxious human, see my SIGNATURE "Autistic and proud " do you have a problem with Autistic disabled people you appear to ? Saracen without wishing to stir things up further. I have obviously cause you offense. I consider myself big enough and ugly enough to offer you an apology. I do not need or want one in return. Though I do urge you to take notice of some that has been said/written since by others and have a more open mind. There are a some people that have been on this site much longer than you or I and they have gained vastly more experience than us and without these knowledgeable people the site would not be what it is..........American, no........
October 9, 20232 yr I've done well over 1/2 million miles on motorbikes, riding in all weathers, sometimes very long distances, like 650 miles in a day. I used to do all the big winter rallies. I never sat in the driving seat of a car until I was near 30 years old. I can tell you that nothing comes close to a pair of wellies to keep your feet warm and dry. Also, if you want to keep the rest of you dry, one of those yellow pvc builders suits are difficult to beat. They don't cost much, but they need to be replaced every two years because the UV light eventually makes them brittle. They're still cheaper than anything you'd get in a motorbike shop in the long run. here you can see them in action 900 miles from home during a 2 1/2 thousand mile trip. Note how dry my back is! [ATTACH=full]54497[/ATTACH] Sorry for the thread derailment. Mate, those very are impressive numbers. I also rode a bike every day until I was 45 regardless of weather, I also wore wellies and cheap waterproofs when I was younger and commuting on low-powered bikes. But you make no concessions to safer bike gear for riding powerful bikes? While we're on a nostalgia trip, here's about the only pic I have of me next to one of my bikes (this will have been in the nineties). Notice I have upgraded to leatherjacket and gloves, stout boots and kevlar reinforced jeans. I was still a cheapskate even then, compared to what gear some people had.
October 9, 20232 yr But you make no concessions to safer bike gear for riding powerful bikes? While we're on a nostalgia trip, here's about the only pic I have of me next to one of my bikes (this will have been in the nineties). Notice I have upgraded to leatherjacket and gloves, stout boots and kevlar reinforced jeans. I was still a cheapskate even then, compared to what gear some people had. You wear the yellow suit over your leathers, not instead of them. You can get reinforced wellies with steel toecaps and heel-guards if you're worried about your feet. Obviously, they're not suitable for bicycles due to their weight https://www.workwearexpress.com/portwest-steelite-neptune-rigger-boot#93=19&205=519&fo_c=4025&fo_k=65c47e0cb5a50486557ecd3f65a0ebcc&fo_s=gsuruk?nis=7 I love these memories of out motorcycling days. Here's my main bike for the nineties, I also had a BMW R100RT for touring at that time, but the clutch started slipping after 10,000 miles. I traded it for a K100RS, but I hated that. It was similar power and handling to my 1981 GS1000 Suzuki, but the screen made the ride extremely noisy and uncomfortable, so I didn't keep it long. Not long after that, I discovered Honda NTV650, which I had for around 20 years, now upgraded to Deauville 700.
October 13, 20232 yr Author Update. David from Wisper reached out and sorted everything for me, he was great Got my Tailwind Trail and had it out for a test ride, love it! Thanks for the help everyone.
October 14, 20232 yr Update. David from Wisper reached out and sorted everything for me, he was great Got my Tailwind Trail and had it out for a test ride, love it! Thanks for the help everyone. Thanks for your kind words Dan, you were a real pleasure to work with., thanks for your understanding regarding the pricing glitch. Incidentally, we love the Tailwind Trail too! Wishing you many happy adventures. All the best, David Edited October 14, 20232 yr by Wisper Bikes
November 17, 20232 yr I haven't driven a Bugatti Veyron to know it would be no good for me wither and have ridden FRONT and REAR hubs and they are crap compared to my mid, so don't assume because you will always either be wrong or sound stupid assuming what others do without actual facts. I said before here, you or someone come off road MTBing with me, I'll use my mid drive you chose front/rear and we will see. Mid drive is certainly best for serious off roading. No doubt that you need to use the gears to help you up those ultra steep, rough inclines. However for more gentle off roading Hub and Mid are about the same and for a metaled road the hub in most cases is the better bet. The better of the two is very much down to the individual rider, their needs and the terrain they wish to cover. Neither is better than the other, they are just different. All the best, David
January 20, 20242 yr Hey, So yes i'd recommend Thunder V4.2 from emovement because i have personally used it myself and i'm a fan. It's Only 1549£ and is extremely versatile. you should definitely get this if it's your first time. On their site there is a lot of reviews and every single one is 4 star. That in itself is suspicious as with anything you buy there will be a range of reviews from 1 star to 4. So when you see everything then thats down to cherry picking. TBH It's not the best example of an Ebike. Edited January 21, 20242 yr by AndyBike
January 20, 20242 yr Hey, So yes i'd recommend Thunder V4.2 from emovement because i have personally used it myself and i'm a fan. It's Only 1549£ and is extremely versatile. you should definitely get this if it's your first time. its usually me this late to the party, and to top it off Browser simply said ' No!'
January 21, 20242 yr On their site there is a lot of reviews and every single one is 4 star. You are talking to a bot.
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