Hi all, I have had some requests to post a build thread, so I would like to share my build with you. It is based on a 1984 Puch Maxi S that I bought from a motorcycle auction in boxes with a registration document so it will be road legal. These mopeds are becoming difficult to find now, especially one that is registered and I didn’t want to butcher a good example so this was ideal for my project.

 

I have used a QS205 hub motor mounted in a 19” wheel and a MQ CON Sabvoton 72100 controller. The frame needed a rear fender chop to accommodate the wheel.

 

Here is the freshly painted frame with the rear fender chopped ready for the build. It was pretty scabby and I’m pleased with the result considering it was a rattle can respray in my garage on a cold winter day, so not the ideal environment for spraying a frame. But I managed to get a bit of shine on it with no runs or orange peel using an industrial acrylic spray paint.

 

 

The first thing to do was to fit new headset bearing cups and pedal bushes. I’m replacing the pedal assembly with foot pegs.

 

I also fettled a 40mm plastic push fit waste socket to bung up the air filter hole and made a simple tool to press in the bearing cups instead of hammering them in.

 

 

 

 

 

 

The next job was to fit a new swing arm. Here is a MLM race swing arm compared to the original. The MLM arm has a 130mm dropout and it needs to be 150mm to 155mm to accommodate the hub motor, so I made a jig to cold set one side at a time and to pull the axle flats back to parallel after stretching.

 

 

 

 

Edited February 27, 20242 yr by AGS

Here is a new EBR 83cm front fork assembly compared to the original 53cm forks and a new pair of MKX 360mm shock absorbers compared to the 300mm originals.

 

The long forks mean a 10cm extended front brake cable is needed. I also have an additional stabiliser, because the mudguard stabiliser is not strong enough on its own for these extra long forks.

 

360mm on the rear is the biggest I can fit and the shocks will provide 50mm of spring compression before the rear wheel touches the fender. I also have a new chrome mudguard and flat handlebar.

 

 

I’m keeping the original front light and I needed to make a couple of shims for the front indicator brackets using 28mm end feed copper fittings with a slot cut in each one so they slide onto the fork leg. I bought 28mm brackets, but they needed a bit of help to clamp tight enough around the fork leg.

 

The bright orange horn operates at 72V and draws only 250mA, so it’s ideal for my build. I have “crudely” mounted a magnetic brake switch on the front brake lever, but it will work fine for the motor cut out and brake light.

 

 

 

 

I needed to find a new solution for the tail light after chopping the fender so I made some parts to mount the tail light, indicators and registration plate. The part on the right came with the tail light but I chopped and re bent it to suit my build. I made a cap for the tail light out of a couple of plumbing waste fittings using a small piece of 32mm pipe and a 40mm push fit end cap, cut and glued onto the pipe.

 

 

2.75” x 19” rear tyre is the biggest that I could get to fit on this frame and swing arm. I also bolted on a SRAM 203mm brake disk. The swing arm didn’t have a caliper mount so I needed to make one using 5mm steel plate. I also made some 1.2mm shims to take up the slack for the axle. The swing arm is built for a 12mm axle and the motor axle is 10mm across the flats, so the shims keep the axle nice and snug in the slot with no slop. I have used a Talaria hydraulic brake assembly because it has a sight glass for the brake fluid and a ball end lever. It conveniently comes with an integrated brake switch.

 

I also have a 25cm side stand which just about does the job, although there is quite a lean when on the side stand.

 

 

 

 

I built a controller box and I also bought an EBR frame brace. The frame brace needed a bit of fettling to fit because the holes were in the wrong place, but that was already explained by the supplier, so there was no surprise when I found it didn’t fit straight out of the box. I found a saddle that I liked on eBay, mainly because it was black and white to match the colour theme of the bike. The original seat base was rotten and needed the rear rack fitted to mount it properly and I wanted a less fussy rear end.

 

 

 

Here is the auxiliary control panel for head light, tail light, brake light and indicators. It’s just a simple 72V to 12V converter and a bunch of relays.

 

 

And this is the MQ CON 72100 Sabvoton controller with a 125A dc circuit breaker. It also has an alarm/immobiliser that works well. It doesn’t completely lock the motor, but it does make it cog and it’s difficult to push the moped when the motor is cogging.

 

 

The front indicators need to be a minimum of 240mm apart so a couple of extension brackets were needed. The minimum distance between the rear indicators needs to be 180mm.

 

 

 

I made a bottom mount and a battery box that will house a 72V, 150A, 50AH battery.

 

 

The birds nest wiring isn’t as scary as it looks and I labelled every cable to make it easy to connect up properly.

 

 

 

The cockpit is pretty full, left to right:

 

1. Talaria rear hydraulic brake assembly

2. Auxiliary switch for lights, horn and indicators

3. Display buttons

4. Display

5. 12V auxiliary switch

6. 72V ignition switch

7. Magura mechanical brake

8. Full twist throttle.

 

Edited February 27, 20242 yr by AGS

Here is the moped outside parked next to the Greaser and Lotus.

 

 

 

And here are a few photos of the moped parked by the river with the registration plate removed.

 

 

 

 

At last, your Maxi Puch thread! What's it like to ride?

Yeah, it rides very well. I’m pleased that the battery hasn’t ruined the CoG.

 

It’s a heavy bugger though. Now weighs 75Kg, which is about the same weight as a Honda SS50.

 

The turning circle is a bit of a joke, because I have fitted chopper forks but that doesn’t seem to affect the ride because I have compensated by fitting huge rear shocks.

 

The standard front brake is appalling. The rear brake is very good, it’s much more powerful than the front.

 

I have initially set the electronic brake current to 30 Amps, but I may increase it to 50 Amps.

 

I haven’t played with the controller settings much yet. Regenerative braking is still switched off and so is field weakening.

 

I have done around 10 miles on it so far and nothing has fallen off yet.

Edited February 27, 20242 yr by AGS

Someone on Moped Army has kindly done a makeover on it for me to improve its looks.

 

 

Motor Diameter: 10.5 Inches

Motor Case Length: 11.25 Inches

Motor Shaft Length End to End: 12.25 Inches

Motor Type: Brushless Permanent Magnet

Brushes: No

Weight: 150 lbs.

Max Voltage Input: 360 Volts

Integrated Sensors: Encoder, temperature

Peak Torque: 280 Lb Ft Peak (w/150kW controller)

Peak Power: 210 HP Peak (w/150kW controller)

Max RPM: 10,000

Drive End Shaft: 32 spline 35.5 mm

Thermal Cooling: Internal oil pump with water heat exchange

Warranty Period:1 Year

 

Someone on Moped Army has kindly done a makeover on it for me to improve its looks.

 

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Why abandon the hiviz advantage of white gloss? I reckon shiny and highly reflective silver would make for a brutalist cool hiviz shape, to stand out against tarmac, and all those many irrationally tarmac hued vehicles. Corroded green coper plating, not so much, and I fear it'd be stolen faster looking like it's been cast in gold.

 

 

Edited February 28, 20242 yr by guerney

I made a new slimmer battery box because the first one was too bulky and painted it matt black.

 

And I added a ventilation grill for the controller.

 

I also fitted NTC 10 temperature sensors inside the controller and the motor. The motor came with a KTY 83 but my controller and display can’t monitor motor temperature, so I fitted a dual temperature meter on the cockpit to monitor temperatures and to sound a buzzer to alarm me if either one is getting too hot.

 

I recalibrated the hall sensors using the MQCON app and the motor runs much better than the factory setting it came with. The motorcycle is now very fast and goes like a scalded cat off the line.

 

I‘m quite impressed with the Sabvoton controller. It’s very easy to configure, although I still haven’t played with field weakening yet. But now that I can measure motor and controller temperature I can give it a go.

 

I have left ebraking set at 30 amps because it seems adequate for braking at sensible speeds. And I haven’t enabled regenerative braking because I prefer to coast off throttle and regen kicks in as soon as the throttle is released which I don’t like.

 

I may have to put some ferrofluid in and fit hubsinks if I set up field weakening permanently.

 

The front wheel is currently off because I’m painting it matt black as well, so it blends in better with the back wheel.

 

 

 

Edited May 7, 20241 yr by AGS

I made a new slimmer battery box because the first one was too bulky and painted it matt black.

 

And I added a ventilation grill for the controller.

 

I also fitted NTC 10 temperature sensors inside the controller and the motor. The motor came with a KTY 83 but my controller and display can’t monitor motor temperature, so I fitted a dual temperature meter on the cockpit to monitor temperatures and to sound a buzzer to alarm me if either one is getting too hot.

 

I recalibrated the hall sensors using the MQCON app and the motor runs much better than the factory setting it came with. The motorcycle is now very fast and goes like a scalded cat off the line.

 

I‘m quite impressed with the Sabvoton controller. It’s very easy to configure, although I still haven’t played with field weakening yet. But now that I can measure motor and controller temperature I can give it a go.

 

I have left ebraking set at 30 amps because it seems adequate for braking at sensible speeds. And I haven’t enabled regenerative braking because I prefer to coast off throttle and regen kicks in as soon as the throttle is released which I don’t like.

 

I may have to put some ferrofluid in and fit hubsinks if I set up field weakening permanently.

 

The front wheel is currently off because I’m painting it matt black as well, so it blends in better with the back wheel.

 

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It's starting to look like an LE Velocette.

There was one of those at the auction where I got the Puch and it sold for £1100

 

https://www.easyliveauction.com/catalogue/lot/b0f46a5e04e53b770f4817398a7ba667/0af8d24542e81eb9357e7ef448a6646f/classic-vintage-motorcycle-auction-at-haynes-motor-mu-lot-124/

Now I have a slimmer battery box I decided to reduce the length of the forks by 150mm. They started out as 83cm forks and they are now 68cm forks. So the bike doesn’t look like a chopper anymore and has a much better turning circle and it sits much better on the side stand. It was a bit toppley before the fork chop.

 

I also swapped the bike display and the temperature display around. And I fitted a 12 volt buzzer to warn me of over temperature from the motor and controller so I don’t need to keep looking down at the cockpit.

 

And I fitted a pair of bar end mirrors. And I think the moped is finally finished now.

 

 

 

Edited May 19, 20241 yr by AGS

Brilliant! Looks more svelte with the black battery box.

 

Your eMaxi build has inspired me to wonder about the feasibility of a Honda eMotocompo, if a dead but UK registered one going dirt cheap can be found. I should try riding one on our roads first, looks likely to be a hairy experience.

 

If it breaks down, throw it into a taxi boot.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

https://www.visordown.com/news/new-bikes/return-honda-motocompo

 

https://www.theautopian.com/this-electric-scooter-fits-in-a-cars-trunk-and-looks-like-a-modern-motocompo/

 

Edited May 27, 20241 yr by guerney

I built a fibreglass race fairing to cover the controller box and to hide the wiring. I hade to make it in 8 separate parts and glassed them all together.

 

Followed by a bit of body filler at the joints and a couple of spray cans of the same paint that I used for the frame, flatted and polished.

 

And a piece of extra firm foam for the slimline seat.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Crazy amount of work put in. Respect.

 

...but I like Greaser more.

If the lower part regularly gets dirty, paint it black?

 

 

 

It needs some decals. Loads on Ebay:

https://www.temu.com/ul/kuiper/un9.html?subj=goods-un&_bg_fs=1&_p_jump_id=894&_x_vst_scene=adg&goods_id=601099532044302&sku_id=17592282864953&adg_ctx=a-87d2aaf6~c-512e5949~f-efe2675e&_x_ads_sub_channel=shopping&_p_rfs=1&_x_ns_prz_type=3&_x_ns_sku_id=17592282864953&_x_ns_gid=601099532044302&mrk_rec=1&_x_ads_channel=google&_x_gmc_account=710731536&_x_login_type=Google&_x_ads_account=6950480996&_x_ads_set=21166811256&_x_ads_id=162301874793&_x_ads_creative_id=696190830451&_x_ns_source=g&_x_ns_gclid=CjwKCAjwy8i0BhAkEiwAdFaeGBM7_8a7WLsE6JgJHRwiB8FelRK0ypKLPemivLeQX0QcQFrACfjEDhoCYRsQAvD_BwE&_x_ns_placement=&_x_ns_match_type=&_x_ns_ad_position=&_x_ns_product_id=710731536-17592282864953&_x_ns_target=&_x_ns_devicemodel=&_x_ns_wbraid=Cj4KCAjwqMO0BhB6Ei4AKXy6Ba0D01WZ4D_u_JPV3KincC8xqvdTA511pTMMDE9Z4KqH4hlPaxWLplVEGgL4yA&_x_ns_gbraid=0AAAAAo4mICHHLVLPKEKNbJDI40oQxXbPJ&_x_ns_targetid=pla-2088250705615&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwy8i0BhAkEiwAdFaeGBM7_8a7WLsE6JgJHRwiB8FelRK0ypKLPemivLeQX0QcQFrACfjEDhoCYRsQAvD_BwE

Yes it does need something to take away the blandness, but I haven’t made up my mind about what decals or wrap to get yet.

Yes it does need something to take away the blandness, but I haven’t made up my mind about what decals or wrap to get yet.

 

If you find a decal you like and it's too small, a print outfit can enlarge and print it onto vinyl, if resolution is high enough. Clipart graphics (if you can find or have made the design you want) defined as vectors/polynomial curves can be scaled to any size and remain sharp. Someone I know printed on huge sheets of vinyl to cover his white formica board nightclub walls. Looks amazing.

 

Never this:

 

 

 

 

...or this, because there's nowhere sensible to hang furry dice. All manner of horrible things can happen to a blank canvas.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited July 13, 20241 yr by guerney

Here's a few to choose from:

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/165599627405?itmmeta=01J2P6N8QM2SARHW74DJ8W2DFY&hash=item268e81c88d:g:ePcAAOSwgGRjDNgr&itmprp=enc%3AAQAJAAAA4JIGCgMt5TByHRia2w%2FTNSOrxQwqhyB4U6w8K%2B0IbYX494%2FbiUBxChO3auffwmqoFOV9ndQpjxsErpKR%2B%2BKI5UeK9z0rtht84G7JN7yBTdhhukF%2BfNjN%2BX1Pymbt244GBi3iyVeMZSfBDmwrgNZWguGHIk0CSDQBmdbzKuffk%2BlxvXq1G1mjojF4m07FVN2ET9qK%2F2qos%2B1kV0CR%2B7dwHLyqpaLXXej996hYV3O0g5dMrnY%2FIzO%2Fa%2FUk1NAsYLxUuDNhZU%2BhWFFnDg2hjWCukLHIUB2GXqoX9PXMlCaKAwIh%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR_SL1caVZA

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/172486415957?itmmeta=01J2P6VWTQ5BBY3FZ7X6B3TN52&hash=item2828fdd655:g:b14AAOSwt5hYeg4U&itmprp=enc%3AAQAJAAAAwHA2vHxeV2u3ORD0MEm8OAJhUMl0pDNwLmhoCa21Y7zStqQxPBqfoYWkLM6DpIPHBsxyrowGeQWfLKzBP9seb4oyI6rIpepE3d0MLLJ81z8w313PjnaH5Z0EY%2FwtWgxe2Kk%2FMS7SoUaWE97Zr5MBySCJSl%2Bbzz2Q0hDDOCe6RloMGIsZP9MytSNE1vrydFBsxhM6FB%2Bbw2rrZ4UurssCrS4DrDgdK%2FGProqp9WozKSrWuEmFkOxaFNErWvxp3pJonA%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR8DN78aVZA

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/394697799192?itmmeta=01J2P7BNM27XB89BKJY6E010VC&hash=item5be5d27618:g:3GYAAOSwO9RklcHq&itmprp=enc%3AAQAJAAAA4FosRpXCxD8tLs%2BKiFC6WCuWpWFZCfjPpHkKlJSgteVBYpYEmqEriYPDSHp7n3EEGWdlpcn9rDCAAVJe898nTbFptgPprJLcA9gwfBUnZaB7%2BD8ewUAGgg9IzkRDM1ABepMGcYlfXPxa5y8mksjAWSCj0s9fIjM1FwQKKxBCgDACzybw6DvuZHDwMTdNdfRw%2FDRSkxVM99kWihoKcb%2FOPyMVh%2FGyqvaXvobvkhOFs8saqgbSdquSABPwMAng4xnk0YDunbQwBY%2BpXOvpjH5Kd1GFLoT3EmdQmicPF6YZSbNa%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR5DarseVZA

It needs some decals. Loads on Ebay:

https://www.temu.com/ul/kuiper/un9.html?subj=goods-un&_bg_fs=1&_p_jump_id=894&_x_vst_scene=adg&goods_id=601099532044302&sku_id=17592282864953&adg_ctx=a-87d2aaf6~c-512e5949~f-efe2675e&_x_ads_sub_channel=shopping&_p_rfs=1&_x_ns_prz_type=3&_x_ns_sku_id=17592282864953&_x_ns_gid=601099532044302&mrk_rec=1&_x_ads_channel=google&_x_gmc_account=710731536&_x_login_type=Google&_x_ads_account=6950480996&_x_ads_set=21166811256&_x_ads_id=162301874793&_x_ads_creative_id=696190830451&_x_ns_source=g&_x_ns_gclid=CjwKCAjwy8i0BhAkEiwAdFaeGBM7_8a7WLsE6JgJHRwiB8FelRK0ypKLPemivLeQX0QcQFrACfjEDhoCYRsQAvD_BwE&_x_ns_placement=&_x_ns_match_type=&_x_ns_ad_position=&_x_ns_product_id=710731536-17592282864953&_x_ns_target=&_x_ns_devicemodel=&_x_ns_wbraid=Cj4KCAjwqMO0BhB6Ei4AKXy6Ba0D01WZ4D_u_JPV3KincC8xqvdTA511pTMMDE9Z4KqH4hlPaxWLplVEGgL4yA&_x_ns_gbraid=0AAAAAo4mICHHLVLPKEKNbJDI40oQxXbPJ&_x_ns_targetid=pla-2088250705615&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwy8i0BhAkEiwAdFaeGBM7_8a7WLsE6JgJHRwiB8FelRK0ypKLPemivLeQX0QcQFrACfjEDhoCYRsQAvD_BwE

 

Edited July 13, 20241 yr by guerney

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I wouldn't want my more delicate regions anywhere near those raptor beaks.

A few weeks back, I returned home to hear strange noises coming from my wood burner stove. Opened the door and there was a jackdaw sitting in there, so I put my hand in to get him out and set him free. Little barsteward, then clamps nasty hooked beak on my finger like a pair of pliers and won't let go. I was bleeding before he was set free. I wish I had wrung his neck.

 

I realise he was just fighting his corner, but these kinds of birds are not friendly or nice. One day I saw one when I was walking along the burn in the undergrowth tearing at something. I went to look and he flew out. There was another young jackdaw trapped with some plant material wrapped around his leg and his brother had been trying to eat his head which was bleeding. I untangled his foot and he flew off, but have no doubt that if he could have, he'd have had a taste of my finger too. They are evil buggers.