Actually I misquoted the poor chap, his actual words as the lightning struck were
"I always said it was a mistake to be twinned with Sodom!"
Brexit, for once some facts.
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"I always said it was a mistake to be twinned with Sodom!"
maybot latest in the Guardian
"She says she will not give in and give “a politicians vote” which she says would involve telling people who voted for Brexit that they had got it wrong.
As usual complete inversion of reality. we don't want politicians to tell
people who voted for Brexit that they had got it wrong.
We will do that for you
Organise a Referendum and we will see what the real will of the people that hasn't been illegally obtained with dodgy methods and Russian and other undisclosed funds .
This is too important to the Future to be left to loony politicians
That bought Brexit with lies and deceit.
Step aside and give the people another chance to vote, now they now the truth.
"She says she will not give in and give “a politicians vote” which she says would involve telling people who voted for Brexit that they had got it wrong.
As usual complete inversion of reality. we don't want politicians to tell
people who voted for Brexit that they had got it wrong.
We will do that for you
Organise a Referendum and we will see what the real will of the people that hasn't been illegally obtained with dodgy methods and Russian and other undisclosed funds .
This is too important to the Future to be left to loony politicians
That bought Brexit with lies and deceit.
Step aside and give the people another chance to vote, now they now the truth.
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In contrast to maybot in the Guardian, some sensible words:
The People’s Vote march showed it’s not just leavers who are angry and patriotic
Zoe Williams
It’s becoming ever clearer that Brexit is a far-right project. No wonder so many people are taking to the streets
So was the People’s Vote march really a game-changer, and, if so, how much of the game did it change? Certainly, it was large: an estimated 700,000 people, the “second-best attended demonstration of the century,” organisers said. The prize stays, of course, with the march against the Iraq war in 2003, which looms like a cloud, ready to rain on every subsequent parade: if a million people can’t change an outcome, why should any government react to any fewer?
And yet Saturday’s demonstration changed the weather, knocking sideways the now prevailing idea that leavers are angry and determined, while everyone else only wishes for a competent person to just sort Brexit out so we can stop talking about it.
Remainers are also angry and determined; also patriotic; and more convinced than ever that there is no available Brexit, on paper or in anyone’s wildest dreams, that delivers to their country anything but hardship, disempowerment and hassle, in varying proportions.
The endless bother – civil servants running about to produce agreements exactly like the ones we already have, or manufacturers figuring out new ways to do the same thing while clearing bureaucratic hurdles – sounds like the most trivial downside of the three, yet it’s the one that so far has interrupted all other business of government the most, and dissolved, perhaps permanently, the image of the Conservatives as a safe pair of hands. By March 2019, it is hard to imagine a single public service, from the NHS to prisons, from schools to social care, that will not be in crisis. My favourite banner read: “Please stop. You’re ruining everything.” Most statements have to be amplified for impact, and flattened out a bit to fit on a placard; this simple, unadorned message is literally true.
And more...
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/oct/22/peoples-vote-march-leavers-angry-patriotic-brexit-far-right
The People’s Vote march showed it’s not just leavers who are angry and patriotic
Zoe Williams
It’s becoming ever clearer that Brexit is a far-right project. No wonder so many people are taking to the streets
So was the People’s Vote march really a game-changer, and, if so, how much of the game did it change? Certainly, it was large: an estimated 700,000 people, the “second-best attended demonstration of the century,” organisers said. The prize stays, of course, with the march against the Iraq war in 2003, which looms like a cloud, ready to rain on every subsequent parade: if a million people can’t change an outcome, why should any government react to any fewer?
And yet Saturday’s demonstration changed the weather, knocking sideways the now prevailing idea that leavers are angry and determined, while everyone else only wishes for a competent person to just sort Brexit out so we can stop talking about it.
Remainers are also angry and determined; also patriotic; and more convinced than ever that there is no available Brexit, on paper or in anyone’s wildest dreams, that delivers to their country anything but hardship, disempowerment and hassle, in varying proportions.
The endless bother – civil servants running about to produce agreements exactly like the ones we already have, or manufacturers figuring out new ways to do the same thing while clearing bureaucratic hurdles – sounds like the most trivial downside of the three, yet it’s the one that so far has interrupted all other business of government the most, and dissolved, perhaps permanently, the image of the Conservatives as a safe pair of hands. By March 2019, it is hard to imagine a single public service, from the NHS to prisons, from schools to social care, that will not be in crisis. My favourite banner read: “Please stop. You’re ruining everything.” Most statements have to be amplified for impact, and flattened out a bit to fit on a placard; this simple, unadorned message is literally true.
And more...
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/oct/22/peoples-vote-march-leavers-angry-patriotic-brexit-far-right
The head of the PSNI has spoken about the difficulty in policing should 'Brexit' proceed:
A Dogs in the Street guide to Brexit and the Irish Border
The head of the Police Service of Northern Ireland has been requesting information on Brexit for months but has received only vague ‘stuff and nonsense’ from the May Government.
Without firm facts on what will happen on the Border once Brexit happens in March the police in Northern Ireland cannot plan or allocate resources on the only land border in the UK, resources Northern Ireland doesn’t have in the first place. The Chief Constable George Hamilton has been warning of the real consequences of playing politics in London that can translate to violence, murder and death in Northern Ireland. As he said “There’s a feeling that as regards the Troubles and the conflict, Northern Ireland is sorted and we don’t need to worry about it, when actually we’re working flat out 24/7 to keep a lid on it.”
The Chief Constable and the ‘dogs in the street’ here in Ulster know that if a customs union is not negotiated or the much hyped ‘Backstop’ option fails then there will need to be physical customs checkpoints on a 300 mile border that could not be properly policed even with thousands of British Troops in support of the police during the ‘Troubles.’
Those checkpoints will be the focus of terrorists wherever they are in Northern Ireland as will those customs officers who staff them. Any talk of technology being the answer is simply wrong as any cameras, drones or any other devices will be targeted first drawing in the Police to protect them and then the British Army to support the police. The whole nightmare of the cycle of violence will begin again. The local Unionist party the DUP were part of the Brexit campaign and used ‘dark money’ to fund large newspaper adverts in the UK supporting Brexit and it appears they believe this will lead to a ‘hardened’ border and therefore an end to the Good Friday Agreement(s.)
Unfortunately for them their influence will only last as long as the May Government needs them to prop up their Westminster minority regime. When that regime falls then the DUP will find themselves without a friend in the EU, UK or Republic of Ireland and partly responsible for destabilising the Irish Border rather than strengthening it. As Churchill once said “As the deluge subsides and the waters fall short, we see the dreary steeples of Fermanagh and Tyrone emerging once again. The integrity of their quarrel is one of the few institutions that have been unaltered in the cataclysm which has swept the world.”
Anyone want to condemn his view?
Tom
A Dogs in the Street guide to Brexit and the Irish Border
The head of the Police Service of Northern Ireland has been requesting information on Brexit for months but has received only vague ‘stuff and nonsense’ from the May Government.
Without firm facts on what will happen on the Border once Brexit happens in March the police in Northern Ireland cannot plan or allocate resources on the only land border in the UK, resources Northern Ireland doesn’t have in the first place. The Chief Constable George Hamilton has been warning of the real consequences of playing politics in London that can translate to violence, murder and death in Northern Ireland. As he said “There’s a feeling that as regards the Troubles and the conflict, Northern Ireland is sorted and we don’t need to worry about it, when actually we’re working flat out 24/7 to keep a lid on it.”
The Chief Constable and the ‘dogs in the street’ here in Ulster know that if a customs union is not negotiated or the much hyped ‘Backstop’ option fails then there will need to be physical customs checkpoints on a 300 mile border that could not be properly policed even with thousands of British Troops in support of the police during the ‘Troubles.’
Those checkpoints will be the focus of terrorists wherever they are in Northern Ireland as will those customs officers who staff them. Any talk of technology being the answer is simply wrong as any cameras, drones or any other devices will be targeted first drawing in the Police to protect them and then the British Army to support the police. The whole nightmare of the cycle of violence will begin again. The local Unionist party the DUP were part of the Brexit campaign and used ‘dark money’ to fund large newspaper adverts in the UK supporting Brexit and it appears they believe this will lead to a ‘hardened’ border and therefore an end to the Good Friday Agreement(s.)
Unfortunately for them their influence will only last as long as the May Government needs them to prop up their Westminster minority regime. When that regime falls then the DUP will find themselves without a friend in the EU, UK or Republic of Ireland and partly responsible for destabilising the Irish Border rather than strengthening it. As Churchill once said “As the deluge subsides and the waters fall short, we see the dreary steeples of Fermanagh and Tyrone emerging once again. The integrity of their quarrel is one of the few institutions that have been unaltered in the cataclysm which has swept the world.”
Anyone want to condemn his view?
Tom
Finally, someone has thought to ask an inscrutable tabby cat if it had an opinion on 'Brexit' and what would be the best way to proceed:
Tom
Tom
When did you sneak in and take that photo of our Daisy cat?
When we asked her what she thought about being quoted, she just carried on brushing the radiator with her tail.
I move in mysterious ways…..at least, that's what a consultant orthopaedic surgeon told me!When did you sneak in and take that photo of our Daisy cat?
When we asked her what she thought about being quoted, she just carried on brushing the radiator with her tail.
That aside, cats are fascinating creatures and I have owned a few. I have also had dogs and find them much more agreeable companions. I have neither today but if my health were to improve, I'd have another dog (or two) in a heartbeat. Dogs need to be exercised a couple of times a day so it's exercise through commitment.
Tom
From the Daily Mail this morning
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DAILY MAIL COMMENT: Saboteurs endangering our nation
Enough is enough. The time is over for griping, self-promotion and peacocking across the political stage by Tory MPs determined to undermine their leader.
Don’t these posturing rebels understand they are sabotaging the Prime Minister at the most crucial point in our history since the Second World War?
The fact that her own party members should be trying to stop her striking a deal intended to safeguard Britain’s future prosperity is not only deeply disloyal – it is profoundly dangerous.
And if they continue with their wrecking tactics, they could force an election that no one wants and may well usher an unreconstructed Marxist into No 10, with all the ruinous consequences that would wreak on the nation.
Their language in recent days has been loathsome. Like vulgar bit-part players in some gory Shakespearean tragedy, these back-stabbing plotters speak darkly of Theresa May ‘entering a killing zone’.
They claim ‘assassination is in the air’, that she is heading for ‘the noose’ and – most egregiously – that ‘the moment is coming when the knife gets heated, stuck in her front and twisted’.
Who on earth speaks like that about their worst enemies, let alone their colleagues? Have these people no sense of duty or respect? One can only imagine what constituents think of their ‘honourable’ Members of Parliament.
Sadly, these obscure backbenchers (mainly anonymous of course, like cowards down the ages) are not alone in their bid to wreck the Prime Minister’s Brexit plans.
Iain Duncan Smith scuttled off to Brussels yesterday to tell Michel Barnier that the Chequers deal would never get through Parliament and that he should offer Britain a Canada-style deal instead. As a former leader who was brought down by disloyalty, Mr Duncan Smith really should know better.
But the Mail’s overriding question is this: What do the conspirators actually think they are going to achieve?
Just imagine for a moment they do succeed in toppling the Prime Minister. The result would be a bloodbath – a bitter six-week leadership battle which would convulse the Tory Party, before ripping it apart. The last contest was more in the manner of a coronation, with Mrs May eventually being elected unopposed.
This time, it would be a fight to the death, from which the party may not recover for a generation.
The arch-Brexiteers fondly imagine that one of their poster boys, Boris Johnson or David Davis, might win. But what then? With just a few months to go to Brexit, what’s their plan? They speak of a Canada-style agreement, but that doesn’t solve the Irish border question and would throw a spanner in the engine of our economy. Then there is the no-deal option, which would involve a hard border around the UK. We may cope, of course, but it would lead to massive disruption and uncertainty for business as Britain reverted to World Trade Organisation tariffs.
Meanwhile, any new Prime Minister would have all the same cards as Mrs May has now – and all the same problems. The Parliamentary arithmetic wouldn’t change. They would still be reliant on the Democratic Unionists to get anything done"
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There, that's enough of a treat for one day.
"I love it when Fascists fall out among themselves, don't you?
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DAILY MAIL COMMENT: Saboteurs endangering our nation
Enough is enough. The time is over for griping, self-promotion and peacocking across the political stage by Tory MPs determined to undermine their leader.
Don’t these posturing rebels understand they are sabotaging the Prime Minister at the most crucial point in our history since the Second World War?
The fact that her own party members should be trying to stop her striking a deal intended to safeguard Britain’s future prosperity is not only deeply disloyal – it is profoundly dangerous.
And if they continue with their wrecking tactics, they could force an election that no one wants and may well usher an unreconstructed Marxist into No 10, with all the ruinous consequences that would wreak on the nation.
Their language in recent days has been loathsome. Like vulgar bit-part players in some gory Shakespearean tragedy, these back-stabbing plotters speak darkly of Theresa May ‘entering a killing zone’.
They claim ‘assassination is in the air’, that she is heading for ‘the noose’ and – most egregiously – that ‘the moment is coming when the knife gets heated, stuck in her front and twisted’.
Who on earth speaks like that about their worst enemies, let alone their colleagues? Have these people no sense of duty or respect? One can only imagine what constituents think of their ‘honourable’ Members of Parliament.
Sadly, these obscure backbenchers (mainly anonymous of course, like cowards down the ages) are not alone in their bid to wreck the Prime Minister’s Brexit plans.
Iain Duncan Smith scuttled off to Brussels yesterday to tell Michel Barnier that the Chequers deal would never get through Parliament and that he should offer Britain a Canada-style deal instead. As a former leader who was brought down by disloyalty, Mr Duncan Smith really should know better.
But the Mail’s overriding question is this: What do the conspirators actually think they are going to achieve?
Just imagine for a moment they do succeed in toppling the Prime Minister. The result would be a bloodbath – a bitter six-week leadership battle which would convulse the Tory Party, before ripping it apart. The last contest was more in the manner of a coronation, with Mrs May eventually being elected unopposed.
This time, it would be a fight to the death, from which the party may not recover for a generation.
The arch-Brexiteers fondly imagine that one of their poster boys, Boris Johnson or David Davis, might win. But what then? With just a few months to go to Brexit, what’s their plan? They speak of a Canada-style agreement, but that doesn’t solve the Irish border question and would throw a spanner in the engine of our economy. Then there is the no-deal option, which would involve a hard border around the UK. We may cope, of course, but it would lead to massive disruption and uncertainty for business as Britain reverted to World Trade Organisation tariffs.
Meanwhile, any new Prime Minister would have all the same cards as Mrs May has now – and all the same problems. The Parliamentary arithmetic wouldn’t change. They would still be reliant on the Democratic Unionists to get anything done"
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There, that's enough of a treat for one day.
"I love it when Fascists fall out among themselves, don't you?
Of course, that arithmetic almost certainly would change if the general election (mentioned earlier) did occur.
Every constituency in which the tories run should field a tory (leave) and a tory (remain) candidate.
Here is proof if proof were needed that the BBC, as with all mainstream media in the UK, is nothing more than a propaganda purveyor on behalf of the tory party which, of course, is the political wing of the British establishment:
Bobby Gillespie is part of the rock band, 'Primal Scream' which has been around for nearly 40 years. He got the opportunity to appear on the BBC TV political show run by Andrew Neil, 'This Week' and this is how it went:
The Primal Scream frontman was less than impressed by the “smug” Andrew Neil and his late night political magazine show ‘This Week’.
“Glasgow-born Gillespie took to Instagram to address the appearance, where he hit out at Neil, and said the ‘sickening’ display was indicative of how the media ‘enables’ the political class in Britain.”
I believe Gillespie's story as I cannot imagine that he has any vested interest or axe to grind. He's made lots of money from his music career and could easily support a government that provides him with the means by which to avoid tax on his high earnings, just like many other wealthy celebrities, by investing it offshore.
Tom
Bobby Gillespie is part of the rock band, 'Primal Scream' which has been around for nearly 40 years. He got the opportunity to appear on the BBC TV political show run by Andrew Neil, 'This Week' and this is how it went:
The Primal Scream frontman was less than impressed by the “smug” Andrew Neil and his late night political magazine show ‘This Week’.
“Glasgow-born Gillespie took to Instagram to address the appearance, where he hit out at Neil, and said the ‘sickening’ display was indicative of how the media ‘enables’ the political class in Britain.”
I believe Gillespie's story as I cannot imagine that he has any vested interest or axe to grind. He's made lots of money from his music career and could easily support a government that provides him with the means by which to avoid tax on his high earnings, just like many other wealthy celebrities, by investing it offshore.
Tom
Mmm, you'll need to try harder to convince me that that's a good idea, 'oyster'. It's still early in the day and I'm thinking that's probably not going to be your best thought of the day.
Tom
No, not revert. As I understand, we've NEVER operated under WTO tariffs/rules. They only came into being as an organisation in 1995. So there is no returning about it. Under the Marrakesh Express, sorry, Agreement.
Do you believe in coincidence?
On both sides of the Atlantic the worst purveyors of Fake News are attacking the Social Media
"This is Extremely Dangerous to our Democracy" is the message
That's us by the way.... the media really really don't like the Boat of lies to be rocked with inconvenient truths, worse for those truths to be backed up with incontrovertible facts exposing their lies.
They'v got the wrong word, "This is extremely dangerous to their Plutocracy" , both over there and over Here too
On both sides of the Atlantic the worst purveyors of Fake News are attacking the Social Media
"This is Extremely Dangerous to our Democracy" is the message
That's us by the way.... the media really really don't like the Boat of lies to be rocked with inconvenient truths, worse for those truths to be backed up with incontrovertible facts exposing their lies.
They'v got the wrong word, "This is extremely dangerous to their Plutocracy" , both over there and over Here too
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To do it properly you'd need a Tory "Don't know" candidate too.
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Of course those who said these things are anonymous, because they largely don't exist.
It's another dirty trick, a false story ploy to engender sympathy for May at the point where she had to reveal her planned agreement to the Commons.
And it worked, MPs all over jumping to her defence and the ERG having to support her and finding it difficult to attack at that moment.
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Michael O'Leary, no shrinking violet as main spokesman for Ryanair and a man who does not suffer fools gladly, has lots to say about 'Brexit' and those in government pursuing the matter, as reported in 'The New European' yesterday:
You should read the article because there is an opportunity to select a 'Monster of Brexit' mask towards the end of the article….for free!
https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/michael-o-leary-interview-about-brexit-on-cnbc-1-5747078
Tom
You should read the article because there is an opportunity to select a 'Monster of Brexit' mask towards the end of the article….for free!
https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/michael-o-leary-interview-about-brexit-on-cnbc-1-5747078
Tom
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They have researchers and advisors galore working out policy moves sufficient to cover all bases and this stratagem was meant to give them time, time in which they'd like some miracle to happen…..or that people become completely disenchanted with the whole affair and stop paying attention to what is or is not going on.
Tom
Does anyone have any idea why Tommy Robinson, a huge 'Brexit' fan who hero-worships Nigel Farage and the tory extreme-right fascist group, chose to repeatedly pick on the Muslim paedophiles when all these mates of his were guilty of pretty much the same thing?
It seems like Thomas Mair wasn't the only despicable soldier of the fascist cause!
Tom
It seems like Thomas Mair wasn't the only despicable soldier of the fascist cause!
Tom