Brexit, for once some facts.

Zlatan

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Canary (direct copied quote..)

"Private Eye commented it was a "pisspoor Corbynite clickbait factory".[4][5]

The style of literature in Canary is offensive , bordering on aggressive. Its terrible media. Its ironic that Tom thinks rest of country is brainwashed when he reads this garbage, putting money into pockets of champagne socialists.
Its simply pathetic and actually represents the sort of thing Tom thinks he opposes. Canary and similar media are dangerous.
Anybody with any sense reads everything with a degree of cynicism, Tom believes everything in Canary, he is brainwashed.
 
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tillson

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Canary (direct copied quote..)

"Private Eye commented it was a "pisspoor Corbynite clickbait factory".[4][5]

The style of literature in Canary is offensive , bordering on aggressive. Its terrible media. Its ironic that Tom thinks rest of country is brainwashed when he reads this garbage, putting money into pockets of champagne socialists.
Its simply pathetic and actually represents the sort of thing Tom thinks he opposes. Canary and similar media are dangerous.
Anybody with any sense reads everything with a degree of cynicism, Tom believes everything in Canary, he is brainwashed.
Absolutely correct. Rarely have I read such hogwash. But support for the kind of meaningless rubbish touted by The Canary and other gutter publications is rife amongst Blairites, so we can expect to see an abundance of it on here.
 

oldgroaner

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Today, the Guardian has this to say....

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Tom
How about we stay in the EU and finance the NHS with it?
OK no one would ever be stupid enough to believe for a single moment that ANY MORE MONEY, is ever likely to go to the NHS under a Tory Government.
I mean to say no one would ever be that stupid, would they?
 
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Absolutely correct. Rarely have I read such hogwash. But support for the kind of meaningless rubbish touted by The Canary and other gutter publications is rife amongst Blairites, so we can expect to see an abundance of it on here.
Give over tillson, I post entries from the "Gutter press" every day on here, from the Express, Mail, and Telegraph, and you really can't get any lower than them unless you lift a manhole cover.
 
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oldgroaner

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Canary (direct copied quote..)

"Private Eye commented it was a "pisspoor Corbynite clickbait factory".[4][5]

The style of literature in Canary is offensive , bordering on aggressive. Its terrible media. Its ironic that Tom thinks rest of country is brainwashed when he reads this garbage, putting money into pockets of champagne socialists.
Its simply pathetic and actually represents the sort of thing Tom thinks he opposes. Canary and similar media are dangerous.
Anybody with any sense reads everything with a degree of cynicism, Tom believes everything in Canary, he is brainwashed.
How would you know? unless of course you read it, and let's be honest it's content is no better or worse that the Murdoch press prints every day, so your idea of what is "offensive , bordering on aggressive. Its terrible media. "
Is pretty much in line with your usual nonsense.
Which is probably why you seem to use the "offensive language" button instead of disagree, as you don't know what you are talking about.
 
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From the Daily Excess
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David Davis WILL NOT ‘shut the door on low-skilled European Union migrants’ after Brexit
BRITAIN will still need low-skilled migrants from the European Union after ditching the crumbling Brussels bloc, David Davis has revealed.

And he so diplomatically has a scathing attack on the very voters for Brexit

"While visiting Estonia, the Brexit Secretary claimed the UK will not shut the door on low-skilled migrants, as he starts his Eastern European charm offensive.

He said: “In the hospitality sector, hotels and restaurants, in the social-care sector, working in agriculture, it will take time - it will be years and years before we get British citizens to do those jobs.”

And then not satisfied with that slur, he does it again
"He added: “We’re a successful economy, largely or partly at least because we have clever people, talented people come to Britain.

He might as well have added
And can't rely on the resident thick lazy half wits.

If he's really lucky people who voted for Brexit won't notice that they have been Betrayed.
Here's one who won't be impressed

Curiously there at the bottom it reads
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It is difficult to see where our migrant reductions are going to come from....David Davis has said that we will still need the low skilled migrants from Eastern Europe and the NHS has admitted it needs more immigrants not less....we just dont have the people to fill these roles in the UK.
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That's fine OG, if you cant accept reality a great big dose of denial works wonders...Just pretend Blair is not involved.
And BTW Tom did say he,d change allegiance rather than follow Blair..
Blair is looking for helpers, you could volunteer and use all your posts as evidence of your loyalty to the cause...
If you can't accept reality? well said, but only if you are referring to yourself (lets pretend for the moment that you ACTUALLY DID VOTE TO LEAVE THE EU)
I have told you what will happen and since you suffer badly with memory loss I'll repeat it
  1. The economy will settle at a lower level and higher costs to the Public
  2. There will be civil unrest because the change for the better that people thought they were voting for when voting leave in the Referendum won't come, in fact their circumstances will get worse.
Much worse, and there will be a very hostile reaction.

Make a supreme effort to take that in, it is in small words so that you should be able to understand.
AS to Blair, I have no interest in the man except to hear when he is up for trial for crimes against humanity.
 

Zlatan

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Give over tillson, I post entries from the "Gutter press" every day on here, from the Express, Mail, and Telegraph, and you really can't get any lower than them unless you lift a manhole cover.
Tom does daily, I,m sure with a bit of effort you could. Difference is the BS you post suits your ridiculous stand.
 

Kudoscycles

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From the Daily Excess
"
David Davis WILL NOT ‘shut the door on low-skilled European Union migrants’ after Brexit
BRITAIN will still need low-skilled migrants from the European Union after ditching the crumbling Brussels bloc, David Davis has revealed.

And he so diplomatically has a scathing attack on the very voters for Brexit

"While visiting Estonia, the Brexit Secretary claimed the UK will not shut the door on low-skilled migrants, as he starts his Eastern European charm offensive.

He said: “In the hospitality sector, hotels and restaurants, in the social-care sector, working in agriculture, it will take time - it will be years and years before we get British citizens to do those jobs.”

And then not satisfied with that slur, he does it again
"He added: “We’re a successful economy, largely or partly at least because we have clever people, talented people come to Britain.

He might as well have added
And can't rely on the resident thick lazy half wits.

If he's really lucky people who voted for Brexit won't notice that they have been Betrayed.
Here's one who won't be impressed

Curiously there at the bottom it reads
"Comments unavailable"
Looks like the guy is indecisive,going by his hairstyle....perhaps on his back he has an EU flag....nothing like hedging your bets.
Do you think he gets a 50% discount at the barbers.
KudosDave
 
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Zlatan

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If you can't accept reality? well said, but only if you are referring to yourself (lets pretend for the moment that you ACTUALLY DID VOTE TO LEAVE THE EU)
I have told you what will happen and since you suffer badly with memory loss I'll repeat it
  1. The economy will settle at a lower level and higher costs to the Public
  2. There will be civil unrest because the change for the better that people thought they were voting for when voting leave in the Referendum won't come, in fact their circumstances will get worse.
Much worse, and there will be a very hostile reaction.

Make a supreme effort to take that in, it is in small words so that you should be able to understand.
AS to Blair, I have no interest in the man except to hear when he is up for trial for crimes against humanity.
Absolute utter nonsense...every single word.
At start of WW2 the doom merchants said within a month of bombing civil order would break down, it didn't in 5 years of it. They said for every ton of bombs dropped 50 people would die, it was actually around a tenth of that. When we came out if ERM the same types predicted massive recession. It didn't happen. When we decided against adopting euro such as yourself predicted catastrophe. In 80's the negative types drummed along by both media and rock stars told us we,d be dying in droves from AIDS. Millions were spent on units at all hospitals that eventually realised it was nonsense.

You and I are not economists OG , not even poor ones. So how on earth you can make such catastrophic negative predictions over course of 11,000 posts defies any kind of sense or logic. King summed this whole situation up, we will come out of eu and in ten years time think it was all a storm in a tea cup.
1 in 10 people world wide live in eu. We are perhaps loosing some trade with 10% of world to get unlimited access to the other 90%..
Trouble is there is just so much BS from folk with vested interest to stay and closed insular minds.
If we stay it will be amongst biggest lost opportunities this country had ever had.
 

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Give over tillson, I post entries from the "Gutter press" every day on here, from the Express, Mail, and Telegraph, and you really can't get any lower than them unless you lift a manhole cover.
.... and beneath the manhole cover, in the sewer, you will find The Canary, floating on a sea of pi$$ amongst the turds. This sort of flotsam & jetsam feeds the Blairites and the Mangledbums.

I have read a couple of the links to The Canary and it really is one of the most hateful & vile excuses for news that I have had the misfortune to set my eyes upon.
 
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Looks like the guy is indecisive,going by his hairstyle....perhaps on his back he has an EU flag....nothing like hedging your bets.
Do you think he gets a 50% discount at the barbers.
KudosDave
Oh dear KudosDave has secumbed to the personal attack syndrome, but at least is doing it with more style.
 
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Zlatan

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India alone has potential to replace any lost trade with eu. India in 10 years will have double the population of eu !. Their economy is growing , the eu is stagnant and has been for 10 years.
I cant believe this insistence that eu is so good for uk trade, when our trade deficit with eu is so appalling. Its plain bonkers, arguing and justifying remaining in what is actually at best a stagnant relationship. Where is all growth in trade coming from if we remain. Nowhere. Both eu and uk will be stagnant indefinitely at this rate, the developing markets will simply pass us by...look at China, India, Brazil,Mexico,Asia...then look who you remainers want us tied to and supporting..Its utter BS..
Yes it means changing and there will be losses but the potential for growth outside eu far exceeds it in it. Just do some real research instead of reading propoganda.
Its just so ironic when posters come up with " we won't sell them anything ...because we don't now"so why stay? We,ve got nothing to lose...apart from an awful trade deficit...
 
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If we stay it will be amongst biggest lost opportunities this country had ever had.
I agree. But my problem with leaving for this huge opportunity is our terrible record of failure to profit from opportunities.

Perhaps the one hope that it could be different this time is the large number of entrepeneurial immigrants we have living here now.

That's if we don't stupidly send them packing as part of Brexit, the sort of mistake that would fit neatly with our recent record of mismanagement.
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Absolute utter nonsense...every single word.
At start of WW2 the doom merchants said within a month of bombing civil order would break down, it didn't in 5 years of it. They said for every ton of bombs dropped 50 people would die, it was actually around a tenth of that. When we came out if ERM the same types predicted massive recession. It didn't happen. When we decided against adopting euro such as yourself predicted catastrophe. In 80's the negative types drummed along by both media and rock stars told us we,d be dying in droves from AIDS. Millions were spent on units at all hospitals that eventually realised it was nonsense.

You and I are not economists OG , not even poor ones. So how on earth you can make such catastrophic negative predictions over course of 11,000 posts defies any kind of sense or logic. King summed this whole situation up, we will come out of eu and in ten years time think it was all a storm in a tea cup.
1 in 10 people world wide live in eu. We are perhaps loosing some trade with 10% of world to get unlimited access to the other 90%..
Trouble is there is just so much BS from folk with vested interest to stay and closed insular minds.
If we stay it will be amongst biggest lost opportunities this country had ever had.
There are always merchants of doom and gloom and there are always irrational optimists. Both are wrong and the old world continues to creak it's way at some middle ground, except occasionally major distruptive events occur. Global population growth being one of them and global energy production another.
The UK was a global power once and could force it's interpretation everywhere and there are still glimmers of that expectation remaining. It's no longer a global power, and in leaving the EU it may even cease to be a regional power. Without exporting anything it is just about self sufficient in food production so it has no surplus to export .
Further to previous posts on your economic prospects

... Currently Ireland is your major export market for food, and we have double the trade as any other countryat 2 billion PA if you lose that market and that of France and Germany you will lose 4billion of exports.

The oil will run out
It is difficult to see how car production to India or China would develop to such an extent. There is a desire for some of the prestige uk car makes eg Rolls-Royce , maybe even the eccentric, eg Morgan in these countries, but not for the bread and butter brands. These BRIC countries have enormous engineering potential and are growing the expertise ..... What was Samsung a generation ago?

Weapon systems ?
Yes but are you not already buying in some of that expertise in the trident missiles
Hope and optimism are valuable commodities but" faith without good works " is a theological dead end.
 

flecc

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India alone has potential to replace any lost trade with eu. India in 10 years will have double the population of eu !. Their economy is growing , the eu is stagnant and has been for 10 years.
As I replied to you long ago, no India does not have that potential.

Firstly we have no chance of competing with their low cost economy in the supply of manufactured goods.

Secondly 80% of our exports are of services, but India supplies us with services far cheaper than we can supply them for ourselves.
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