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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    compared to what? a Westminster system, in which the fact that I live in a predominantly tory county means my vote doesn't count at all. and tory votes don't count either given that their "local" representative is some party sycophant. who lies in any case about everything, before doing whatever...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    you're getting the hang of proportional representation, it also means when there is a self obsessed nut job (say a creep like reese mog who is against welfare for the disabled, welfare in general, homophobic, anti euthanasia, anti abortion on any grounds etc...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Given that we have been instrumental in destroying most of the middle east and the global economy (and that's deliberately only squinting at the last twenty or so years, looking further back is simply too embarrassing) the 13%representation may be quite opportune, a neutral observer may well...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    for who ;>) I'm afraid my knowledge of what comes out of the wrong end of the horse is sadly lacking. however, both are death traps, I sold mine, hit a lamp post at 30 miles an hour and you can kiss your frontal lobes goodbye
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    an "apologist" is someone who offers an argument in defence of something controversial. once you offer an argument in defence of brexit you may achieve the status of an apologist. your pedestrian justifications for conservative values do not amount to that (or pride or "being your own man").
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I've got mixed feelings about the dart, AFAIK its plastic tub sat on a TR2 ladder chassis, what I really do know is that it can flex so badly that the doors open involuntarily, and the engine may be smooth buts specific power output isn't great (I believe a triumph 4 cylinder, as in a TR2 of the...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    It's not only our human rights that get subcontracted to Vietnam, also our environmental impact, happily (and I half apologise for black humour) its not only children in chittatong WHO die from lead poisoning as they break up the ships that bringing us goods; we reimport food, and also poison...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I like Diane whatsisname, Corbyn's posturing career politician ex and all the other hangers on in labour as little as anyone else. But government will always be incompetent, corrupt. That would be welcome respite from the current rabid nefarious psychopaths like trump or may
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    But as the Conservative government inexorably collapses (the scandals getting fruitier and ever closer to core conservative values like tax avoidance, abuse of power etc) Corbyn becomes a very likely successor and my hunch is that he will diplomatically lead the increasingly disillusioned brexit...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    perhaps this explains zlatan and the electorate's affinity for the Westminster system, a different set of prostitutes with whips every four years
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    bet you go around smelling for dung all day long. but, to stretch the metaphor, that does not get you out of the paddock (brexit wont either, and there's so much more to life than rolling around in paddocks).
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    if only we knew about the electorate's desire for punishment before the referendum we could have worked out something less traumatic than brexit
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    back in conservative HQ, perhaps, back here in the real world there's nothing homophobic about sadomasochism (ask Max Moseley). given that he has voted for brexit, I have a hunch zlatan would approve, heartily, of sadomasochism.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    and not just any old interest in dung, a connoisseur (bet it took a lot of rolling in faeces before you achieved this level of discrimination). but, back to brexit - you may enjoy rolling in it in a paddock with a dog to guide you - I don't fancy living in a society where that's the level of...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    a sheep with a thing for cow dung, this is becoming morbidly interesting
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    to continue our previous conversation (about you thinking), how about doing some more thinking? about the Westminster system. you know, that abortion of an electoral system that subjects you to 180 u turns every four years and increasingly desperate attempts to buy votes with no regard...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    what patronising twiddle (although I fully accept that you are like a sheep and need a dog in the same paddock)
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    well, that being the point you see in the original question. there is of course another side to that question. how many brexiters do you wish to win over? why should you be "winning them over"? do they live lives in which they are perennially being won over? being led by the likes of reese mog...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    now you're making me feel genuine pity. so, insisting that we have hit the absolute bottom of the trough and cannot possibly become any more depraved than we have always been makes you feel safe about brexit? ethics are fundamentally principles that govern a person's behaviour, not a state's. as...