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I remember visiting an Ebike shop in Taunton and trying out some Ebikes, this was almost 3 years ago. The owner/salesman was adamant that mid drive would take over and kill off hub motors in a couple of years. Maybe he genuinely believed this, or maybe there was just more profit for him in a mid...

Umm..... It was Cyclezee that suggested the stem riser first, but its worth a try if you cant get your bars high enough.

'If you break the rules you will hurt yourself'

As the previous posts prove, there are no rules...... higher or lower your bars, or get a stem riser, or change the bars altogether, or do what i've done and fit bar ends to give a different angle for your wrists. No one else can tell you what will be comfortable for you, only you will know that.

Thats the reason why i wouldn't buy an ebike or kit that has a unique battery. Jeeze, that price is taking the ****.

There's no rule, you just have the bars higher or lower to whatever you're comfortable with. Although you're more aerodynamic if the bars are lower. I always have the bars no lower than level with the seat and my hybrid Ebike bars are slightly higher than the seat.

Ok cool..... it'll be very interesting to me to see it and your views on which you prefer. Still cant really make up my mind whether to fit a kit to mine or not.

Yeah i can see the point of them now, i wasn't familiar with these batteries. On a different note, i'm still wanting to see pics and details of your Giant Defy with the kit fitted.

Ah, i get it now.

What is a 'right side pull fitting' and how does it make it a smallest form factor ? Does that make it different from other bottle batteries, like the one on my 8fun kit ?

So they're basically just comparing Ebikes to mopeds then. What do they mean with low powered moped ?..... Because mopeds aren't the same as an Ebike when they can do 30 mph. An Ebike that does 30 mph would have the same legal restrictions of a moped.

You wont pay £32 vat...... the difference between German and UK vat is 1%. If they were really picky they would only charge that. But they wont..... i've been ordering stuff from abroad for yrs and never been charged vat when its from anywhere in the EU.

You only pay vat and any import taxes from non EU countries...... So go for it. The return under warranty hassles when its not in the uk is one of the disadvantages...... but thats the risk of getting cheap.

You selectively quoted part of my post that mention MAG & BMF..... then said 'they and the mc trade' I'll agree with you about the cycling community..... I've constantly seen prejudice from them about Ebikes, but never from the motorcycle industry, whether that be individual bikers, mc traders...

I'm sure if he posts on this forum, then he'll join this thread..... I also still cant understand why MAG or the BMF would be at meetings for BEBA ? They are not trade industry groups, they are for motorcyclists.

I dont accept something as fact, just because someone says it on an internet forum. Who are these motorcycle interest groups ?

Hmmm...... all seems a bit ambiguous and rumour fed to me. Until i see proof that the motorcycle trade, and who exactly in the motorcycle trade, have argued aggressively against throttles on Ebikes i cant take it seriously.

I find it hard to fathom why the motorcycle industry would be bothered about 15.5 mph Ebikes. Which part of the trade, dealers or manufacturers ?

The main thing that has stopped legislation against motorcycles is MC groups like MAG and to a lesser extent now the BMF. These groups have actively lobbied government against anything we deem erodes our freedoms. They have successfully argued against the infamous leg protectors back in the 80's...

The only thing BMW motorcycles cant match the Japanese on, is their supreme reliability. They can more than compete with them on power. Their BMW S1000RR sports bike is almost 200 BHP and they have many more models that are well over the 100 BHP.