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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    That scenario assumes country at some point sees Labour as a credible government and offering a majority supported mandate on Brexit. Both seem rather obscure objectives for Labour at moment.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    And then do exactly what BJ wants us to do... Leave.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I, ve been saying for months Labour are equally to blame for this debacle. They could have got into power at last election had they campaigned on staying. Trouble is they want to leave more than May does. And BTW how can you have a vote on deal offered if you turn deal down and still leave. Its...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Because of the number of "important" people involved. Like the saying says about camels and horses.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Not specifically, merely the whole hopeless structure. If it were a business it would fail.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Don't you all think this shows one of major faults of EU. Macron taking time off from being French president to tell us all about the requirements of the UK /Irish border... (, a bloke BTW whose best mates idea of fun is to dress up in riot gear and go out clubbing...clubbing protesters...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    They would need to change leader to do that tho.
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    Evans Cycles is urgently seeking a buyer

    I, d guess most bike shops are seeking buyers.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    At risk of contradicting myself.. have we had many sane governments? Ever?Wars boom and bust. Listen to a debate in HoC, doesn't sound very sane.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I, ve always thought the questions a person poses represent a much better picture of their understanding than another's assumption of knowledge. The questions you ask are extremely pertinent and nobody (IMO) actually knows the answers. Your enquiry leads me to suspect you are as well versed on...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    That is a very good post Flecc, nearly all of which both makes sense and I agree with. However, it neither explains Corbyn's stance or accepts there are problems around Nationalisation with regards to EU membership, which there obviously are. (Either simply fact we would need their ratification...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    https://theconversation.com/fact-check-do-new-eu-rules-make-it-impossible-to-renationalise-railways-61180 Read it fully Flecc and OG. That's without Art 107. Are are you saying this is wrong too or that EU would ratify changes anyway.. It could easily be argued any changes we make towards...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Somebody else who can't read Art 107,and perhaps your stance should be pointed out to Corbyn and not us. After all it's his insistence he would not have freedom required to carry out his mandate. (another post you didn't read) And perhaps the EU would support him, but perhaps he doesn't think he...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Well please explain, as I, ve asked 3 times before, Corbyn's stance on EU. It was exactly the reason he offered as to his dislike of EU. Its your refusal to accept implications of Art 107. It would be impossible to Nationalise any industry without A) Giving some kind of state aid Or B B)...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    The barrel is almost through.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Only trouble has come from some remainers, seemingly those with romantic unrealistic views of some Utopia far removed from the real EU, demonstrated today by posters lack of knowledge of such as article 107. Yiur view of EU is based on sentimental (agreed pleasant) notions of EU. In truth its a...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Well answer my questions about Corbyn then.. Besides State Aid and Nationalisation are interlinked, as is obvious having read Art 107 in its entirety. Fact is remainers have muddied waters so much, with so many cries of Wolf on everything from FTSE, Sterling Value, medicine and now even...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Scraping barrel a bit now Flecc. Let's stay in EU for sake of "Breaking Bad" and "Dino trucks".
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Flecc Perhaps Corbyn like 52% of public that could be bothered to vote simply don't want to have to defer to EU. Even if they do not apply Art107...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    8 https://wikis.fu-berlin.de/plugins/servlet/mobile?contentId=234553450#content/view/234553450 This is FACT Flecc. You can't just dismiss it as not true. But assume you are correct (which you are not) and now explain Corbyn's stance. Your whole argument revolves around ignoring both the quoted...