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  1. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Like 'gray198', you have failed to answer my question: Unless, of course, you think that gambling with your children and grandchildren's future is a worthwhile ambition? Tom
  2. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    You very neatly avoided answering the most important point 'gray198', I asked: It strikes me that the best deal out there for the UK is the one we already enjoy. Tom
  3. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Nobody knows that but nothing stays the same so your point applies equally elsewhere. For 40 years, we have had a vote, same as 27 (nowadays) other sovereign states as to whether to accept or reject any changes proposed in a much more democratic setting than that we have in the UK. Why would...
  4. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Ok, let's have another go. Could someone from the 'Brexit' camp please persuade me, with some evidence or facts which will inform me exactly how, when and where the British people will be better off and in what way, out of the EU? Please don't tell me about trade deals with other non-EU...
  5. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I can't answer that but perhaps the bean counters have been asked by the boards of some big companies involved in UK/EU import/export business to evaluate the prospects in a post-'Brexit' landscape? I'm sure that to date, many have simply ridden along on the crest of a wave of perceived...
  6. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    This is the woman who held the office of Home Secretary and she failed miserably in sorting out immigration while she was in prime position to bring about change. I believe you are absolutely right Dave in that she doesn't give a damn about the economy or who may suffer as a result of her...
  7. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Now, that is a seriously worrying statistic and if it is a portent of things to come, the prospects are not at all good. Tom
  8. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Yes, I know what you mean and it is infectious!:D Sadly, the simpletons must enjoy being lied to by men in suits as they seem to require more and more of it in order to sustain their fascist beliefs against all the evidence. Anyone with enough patience can read through the attached material as...
  9. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Ah yeah....but! Tom:D
  10. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    This piece of fantasy propaganda which is being put about by the tory media wing should worry everybody in the UK. For a start, why now? Where was the USA previously? Why did Obama say we'd be at the bottom of the pile in terms of trade deals following 'Brexit'? Why the recent change of...
  11. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    With no disrespect intended to the Scots readers of these pages on this, the anniversary of the birth of the great writer and poet, Robert Burns', here is an appropriate application of one of his fine works: .....and just as luck would have it, I have just this moment, been given a copy of...
  12. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    From my understanding of 'Woosh's' perspective on the 'Brexit' issue, I think this closely resembles the point he was trying to make: Tom:)
  13. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    The web blog, AAV, has picked out some opinion by that fine, socialist journalist, Paul Mason which succinctly describes the 'Brexit' movement: Tom
  14. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    You could have left it after the word 'knowledge', OG, although I really don't know how you have the patience to put up with the troll at all because that is all he is. He has no connection with the 'raison d'être' of this forum and is only here to cause mischief. He would quickly disappear...
  15. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    That sounds like a lot of lecturing or a lot of gardening.:D Tom
  16. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Sadly, it reflects the fact that people have short memories. The 'yellow- bellies' went around the other parties at the 2010 election in a cheap, old-fashioned, horse-trading way trying to get the best deal for themselves, not what was best for the people of the country. They sold their soul...
  17. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I know 'Woosh' were based in Southend but it seems the HQ must have moved to the planet Zog at some point, judging by the strange posts now arriving in this thread. Tell me you're 'avin a bubble'. Tom
  18. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Here is another example of the kind of behaviour exhibited by the 'Brexidiot' fascists in our midst. No doubt it will be treated in much the same way by the 'Leave' supporters as the murder of Jo Cox MP. This is typical fascist behaviour. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38744073 Tom
  19. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Perhaps you meant 'opprobrium' rather than approbation 'Danidl'?o_O Tom
  20. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I really don't want to be rude but you are posting increasingly nonsensical rubbish now. Clearly, you don't seem to appreciate that 27 other sovereign states understand that being members of such a large collective body with fantastic barrier-free trading and transparent democracy is a...