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Bosch ALP motor is excellent I did over 2500 miles on mine before I changed to the Specialized Creo with the Mahle motor.

Seems an awful lot of money for 2 bikes that are not really liked, I always thought the Terns were pretty good bikes.

5'6" but I like a low seat height compared to the bars and have switched the stem around.

Sizes tend to be a bit small on the Creo, I ended up with a medium even though I would normally buy a small in a road bike.

That is the colour that I went for, it seems to have a metalflake in it that changes slightly darker or lighter depending on the light.

Which colour are you thinking of?

I have just got one of these and I have to say it is amazing, previously I have had a Juicy Click, Wisper 905, Carrera Crossfire and a Carrera Crossfuse and while they were all excellent bikes (apart from the Crossfire) the Specialized is in a different class, it is fast, light and more than...

You can, The aluminum version is £3999, I bought the Carbon Gravel Version which is £5499 however I paid considerably less due to having a friend in the trade.

Apparently pretty normal according to the dealer I bought my wifes Haibike from, I tried a couple and both sounded different ( I thought they both sounded noisy compared to the Bosch Activeline Plus I used to have)

I agree, The Specialized Creo I have just got is very similar, Carbon with hidden battery and Mahle motor and most of the time I am above the cut off and the motor is more than capable up hills due to the light weight of the bike, thankfully not as expensive as the above.

Around 15kg is not the same as under 15kg as you previously stated.

Agreed and rate your bikes highly, but the person who posted previously stated the bike weighed under 15kg and was totally stock and as VFR said his post appears to be misleading as on your site you state the lightest version weighs 16.5kg.

Really? according to the Woosh website the bike weighs 16.5kg with the 8ah battery and 18.5kg with the 17ah battery, Which does yours have?

I decided to go for something a bit lighter after owning a Carrera Crossfuse and a Wisper 905 and ended up getting a Specialized SL Turbo Comp Carbon Evo and I have to say it is stunning , there is no drag from the motor after the cut off and it only weighs 14kg . So I reckon the Vado even...

I was having a mellow moment.

Exactly what I meant, I was just being diplomatic.

Very true, I have just got a Creo with the Mahle motor which I have to say is a revelation, so light and easily powerful enough for the hills( expensive but I got a good deal) as for reliability time will tell, but when I had a Bosch motored bike half the people on here assumed I had made a pact...

Just for clarity sake my observations regarding Specialized in no way detract from the great service Wisper provide across the board ie customer care and quality products.

From Specialized themselves and according to my bike supplier extended to Creo as well. Why are you offering a 4-year motor warranty to owners of a 2019/20 Turbo Levo and 2020 Kenevo? A number of affected riders have expressed to us that they are concerned for the longevity of their...

Specialized warranty is now 4 years.