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So how do we arrive at a solution that suits / unites both camps ?? If we don't leave what are consequences ? We,ve spent hours debating consequences of leaving ... Is there a solution that suits all ? I doubt it but then again I don't see consequences of leaving being at all catastrophic...

I can see that derf. Thing is many supported blair's war because he was believed over WMD. To be honest I was genuinely shocked when none were found and even more when it became obvious their existence was complete fabrication..that is beyond misleading public. That ssingle event is having...

That's so true but would never have happened without Blair or with a referendum. I,d bet under 20% of population wanted that war...but we got it.! Not sure what you are asking above derf? Sorry..

Very clever Flecc...nice one. But perhaps when central Europe is clogged with smoke and Albania empty...we could move over there...??? Could be eu's long term.plan.. Keep Albania and Greece free from mucky old industry for the future..??

Fair point bit you get mine ...offering escape routes to get a living is hardly a solution. Going in and sorting, helping,investing , creating would be more beneficial...but would create competition ??? But don't forget their little disgrace ...lying about emmisions...think they had to stop many...

No 26 kts cross wind..windsurfers don't do beams and stuff...just up and down...port and starboard but most have trouble with that..

Yep..how about building Volkwagens in Albania rathar than Wolfsburg ?? If eu is going to work all the profitable bits need sharing around..!!??? Is it right the wealthy cherry pick poorer for labour, letting them move to low paid jobs .. Its all lopsided Dave. How many Albanians turn up in...

But your argument Kudos is based on validity of eu,s overall stance on immigration. Can it really work that so many can actually utilise free movement ? It's a massive experiment that nobody quite understands the repurcussiobs. Factor in those who are not entitled to free movement (. Ie outside...

For years there has supposed to have been free movement between France and Spain...yet its only in last 3 years this has been case around Figures/ Balou.. French didn't like tourists and citizens going into Spain for cheap goods/ meals. ( not sure how but Spanish side in Pyrenees is 40% cheaper...

Less of the anal Trex, its inflamatory, yet again from you.. How many people who voted in first referendum all those years ago realised that about 40 years down the line our pm would be fighting for just a little more control of our borders and going cap in hand to foreign powers trying to...

You think stayers wanted eu to gain more control ? I don't think so. Trouble is process of eu gaining more is insideous, comes in small but irrevocable steps. You really think voters know what eu level of control over its members will ( would have been?) be in 20 or 30 years time. More of same...

I was thinking more about availability. One of reasons ee went St Cyprien/ Argeles was for getting a berth.( wouldn't moor anywhere in this region) but still 4 year wait at Argeles, after being told one was available,berthed at St Cyp) A berth is essential here tho...tramontane..but that's for...

Bet not moored in Nice...

Flecc Not sure end result is any happier for French house buyers , between notaire and immobilier there will be of order 15% on top of house price, but I do agree French housing is last place to invest money. Also tennants have far more rights so long term rent can be big problems. The issue of...

Agreed trex re eu.. Land disputes go on everywhere..just going through one in Uk ....communal land/ private..with mistakes at Land registry. They are more frequent in France and if local mare changes use, needs land for development they get it. Which is what happened with friend. They were...

Until he tries to sell his house in France. Properties throughout South have become harder and harder to sell , combined with fact immobiliers charge 9%( we got it down to 5%, just sold two in Derbyshire at 1%)..some good news tho...if you do sell repatriating cash at moment is great. Just took...

Trex/ KTM...agree on all.points. Both good posts. With proviso, I suspect racism and thickness are both closely related and very evenly distributed amongst our population.

Thanks KTM. Said before you and kudos have made excellent finacial reasons to stay, dont quite agree with them but valid nonetheless. We all vote for one way or another for our own reasons. This thread has become a microcosm of what's generally happening. Some ignorant people assume they know...

Kudos . Good points well made. However, yes as a,leaver I,ve resorted to insult,apologies,it was under duress. This whole debate would be far more constructive without certain posters..I,m leaving their bigotted views on ignore. The whole nation has been misled since 1972. What started as a...

So there we have it from Tom and OG, not only are leavers racist this one is drunk and a liar..what a pair of complete pilocks. BTW, poll results I saw said 96% of all voters would vote same..like I said earlier try and make your own minds up rather than rely on made up statistics and polls...