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Honestly, if you were the government of a significant country, and a just-into-brino UK offered to negotiate a trade deal, but might negotiate to go back into the EU (if accepted), just what confidence would YOU put into that deal? If it were me, I'd be saying to myself, if they don't give me...

When we have ALREADY LEFT THE EU!

The BBC website said this on 1 February 2018: The EU, which published its demands earlier this week, says the transition should not extend beyond 31 December 2020, 21 months after Brexit day. To me, that says transition will be over. We will NOT still be functioning as an EU member.

Which means we would be past the point of withdrawing our A50 - that is exit day. Any time after, we would be subject to A49. We couldn't even request consideration of re-admittance on any other than A49 basis unless rEU had decided, what? spontaneously?, to change the treaty. If we have to say...

The Lisbon treaty came about having started in 2004, had rejections of first attempts, then finally ratified in 2009. Just how can anyone seriously suggest that the treaty could be changed by 29 March 2019 at 11 p.m.?

I think you are changing time and circumstance there! The original bit was you saying: A second referendum toward the end of the transition after the FTA is concluded is what the UK needs to heal the division. Now you are going on about a situation in which A50 is suspended. Entirely different.

Of course, the brexit mob weren't pushing and pushing for it to be done, were they? I'll also point out that A50 expressly identifies that rejoin would be subject to A49. Article 49 Any European State which respects the values referred to in Article 2 and is committed to promoting them...

Why do the views of remain have to bend to those of brexit? The referendum did not identify hardness or softness. So ANY brexit is trampling on the views of those who voted remain.

The divided country exists. It won't suddenly change even if many of the brexiteers said they were wrong or conversely, for remainers. Lots and lots of people will not accept extremely clear evidence - either way.

But what good is that if there is no way of rejoining the EU? If it is too late, the rEU might well refuse to accept any request, application or bended knee supplication. Your argument is one of giving up - let us leave, let us see what happens, then, umm, say we don't want to be where we are...

Of course, that is Rolls-Royce plc, RR car makers decamped long ago.

Too late. By far. I don't see any basis for assuming that we can stop brexit by saying we don't like transition, or that transition is proving to be a disaster.

Not if he actually believes in brexit. Which in many ways is the heart of the matter for Labour. If JC believes in brexit he either has to shut up and leave it all a bit ambiguous. If JC doesn't beleive in brexit, ideally if he really is a remainer, then he needs to do everything he can to...

And: British manufacturing output slips to ninth globally behind France Data shows sector starved of investment and losing ground as Brexit uncertainty persists

Labour 'finished' if it backs Brexit in a snap election, says Adonis Poll suggests party would fare much better by opposing UK’s departure from EU Jessica Elgot Political correspondent Sun 19 Aug 2018 22.00 BST Lord Adonis said Labour could not afford to be seen as an ‘accomplice to...

Sorry to Bother You: is this the most shocking anti-capitalist film ever? Would you run a workforce of slaves if the price was right? Would you give up your freedom for a job, food and a bed for life? Welcome to the chilling, absurdist world of Sorry to Bother You Touré Sun 19 Aug 2018 15.00...

Looks like a bit of a clanger there! The Anglo-Persian Oil Company (APOC) was a British company founded in 1908 following the discovery of a large oil field in Masjed Soleiman, Iran. It was the first company to extract petroleum from Iran. In 1935 APOC was renamed the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company...

When you are feeling crap, and really can't get yourself to do anything else, the internet is a wonderful place. (Broken tooth followed by emergency filling followed by severe infection/inflammation. Ideally timed for a weekend.) Brexit: Tory MPs warn of entryism threat from Leave.EU...

One who didn't make the brexit promised land: Sir Peter Tapsell, Tory veteran and fierce critic of EU, dies aged 88 Father of the House from 2010-2015 began political career as speech writer to Anthony Eden

I remember discussions between my sister and parents in the car from when I was about four. "What's the distance?" "It's over there - as far as you can see." "Are we in the distance now?"... And round and round in circles. Nor can we ever reach the horizon. Regarding brexit, we are like Moses...