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[Electrifying Cycles]

If they are made legal I would imagine similar restrictions to German i.e. no riding on cycle paths etc. However there is a long way to go and you know the snails pace the UK government likes to go at. Will not truly believe it until it happens, assuming it does.

 

[Deleted member 4366]

The s-pedelecs are not considered safe to be used on the roads and in public places off road. So we have to make sure we're covered.
Col.

How come they can use them in Germany then - the most safety conscious country in the world?

 

[KTM Bike Industries UK]

my knowledge of German law isn't great, but if you want to ride one in Germany, doesn't it have to have a registration plate, mirrors and you have to wear a full face helmet? and even then you can't use them on shared cycle paths etc etc.

If they are legalised in the UK, I suspect similar things will be put into place to make them safe to use, and safe for other people around them. Currently they are not safe because they are not legal, and equally they are not legal because they are not safe.

 

[Deleted member 4366]

You were arguing on the basis of safety though, not legality. If the bike is unsafe to sell, it'll be unsafe to use in any country. On the other hand, if it's safe in Germany, it should be safe here.

 

[Kudoscycles]

The UK government have had since 2003 to sign up to EN15194,add another 10 years to make up their minds about throttles(unlikely considering they are not legal in Germany) another 10 years for S class....unless of course UKIP hold the balance of power supported by the Liberals,now there's a sobering thought!....something about the Sahara freezing over!!!!!
KudosDave

 

[EddiePJ]

Speaking of the S-pedelec. It certainly has a nice spec.

KTM MACINA eGnition GPS + 45 2015 10-s XT

• Frame Type: Macina eGNITION-10 27.5 "Alloy M: 5990
• Frame: Alloy hydroformed frame F & R
• Gearing: 10 XT-s
• Rear Shock: Fox Float CTD BV
• Damper details: Sp: Air spring LV (large volume), Boost Valve, 3 riding modes
• Fork: Fox 34 Float FIT 27.5, 150-15 CTD-T
• Fork Details: Sp: air spring, D: FIT, 150mm, 15TA, tapered, CTD
• Tax rate: 1.5 KTM team
• Stem: KTM Team JD-ST95A -7 °
• Handlebar: KTM Team HB-FB22L flat, 700
• Drive: BOSCH - 2015 ENGINE PERFORMANCE CENTER LINE Nyon 45S
• Power: 36V - 350 W
• Display: Bosch Premium Nyon display with joystick steering control element
• Battery: Bosch Battery 36V / 11.1Ah = 400 Wh
• Quick release on the handlebar:
• Brake the hydr.Bremse: Tektro 203/180 6-b
• Brake disc mechanical brake:
• Brakes: Tektro Dorado HD-E715 Disc for 45s
• Mechanical disc brake:
• Shifter: Shimano Deore XT M780 10
• Derailleur: Shimano Deore XT M786 shadow plus
• Derailleur:
• Crankset: KTM Team Delta ISIS, 20Z
• Bottom bracket: Bosch ISIS
• Sprocket: Shimano Deore XT 11-36 M771-10
• Pedal: VP-539 MTB
• Wheelset: KTM Line 27.5 "DT / DT350
• Rim: DT Swiss XM 442 584x22.5
• Front hub: DT Swiss 350 to 100 / 15TA 6-bolt
• Rear Hub: DT Swiss 350 to 142 / 12TA 6-bolt
• Tires: Schwalbe Nobby Nic Snakeskin 27.5x2,35
• Saddle: Fizik Nisene
• Seatpost: KTM Team SP-719 350 / 30.9
• Closing system: ABUS locking system -Ra Bosch battery
• Chainstay Protector:
• Stand:
• Chain Guard: Miranda chainguard aluminum
• Apron:
• Racks:
• Taillight: B + M Toplight line integrated brake light / license plate illumination
• Front light: Supernova V6s 6V DC, 165 lumens

 

[EddiePJ]

Here is a link to a review by a forum member in relation to their long term ownership of a 2013 model year KTM eRACE P http://www.pedelecs.co.uk/forum/threads/ktm-erace-p-first-impression-review.15192/

Library photo.

2014 model year bike.

And the lovely looking 2015 bike with the larger capacity 12ah 562wh battery. I can see one of these being added to the stable.

Sad I know, but if I found a new old stock Bionx version tucked away collecting dust in a dealers at give away money, I'd probably be tempted to buy it to squirrel away. It would have to be the version with the black stickered battery though.

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[wissy]

Where in n Wales is KTM emtb test centre going to be?

 

[KTM Bike Industries UK]

Where in n Wales is KTM emtb test centre going to be?

We sat down with the owner yesterday and they have done an initial order, the facility will be close to Mold, so hopefully good access for lots of people.

Regards
Col

 

[mfj197]

Speaking of the S-pedelec. It certainly has a nice spec.

KTM MACINA eGnition GPS + 45 2015 10-s XT

• Frame Type: Macina eGNITION-10 27.5 "Alloy M: 5990
• Frame: Alloy hydroformed frame F & R
• Gearing: 10 XT-s
• Rear Shock: Fox Float CTD BV
• Damper details: Sp: Air spring LV (large volume), Boost Valve, 3 riding modes
• Fork: Fox 34 Float FIT 27.5, 150-15 CTD-T
• Fork Details: Sp: air spring, D: FIT, 150mm, 15TA, tapered, CTD
• Tax rate: 1.5 KTM team
• Stem: KTM Team JD-ST95A -7 °
• Handlebar: KTM Team HB-FB22L flat, 700
• Drive: BOSCH - 2015 ENGINE PERFORMANCE CENTER LINE Nyon 45S
• Power: 36V - 350 W
• Display: Bosch Premium Nyon display with joystick steering control element
• Battery: Bosch Battery 36V / 11.1Ah = 400 Wh
• Quick release on the handlebar:
• Brake the hydr.Bremse: Tektro 203/180 6-b
• Brake disc mechanical brake:
• Brakes: Tektro Dorado HD-E715 Disc for 45s
• Mechanical disc brake:
• Shifter: Shimano Deore XT M780 10
• Derailleur: Shimano Deore XT M786 shadow plus
• Derailleur:
• Crankset: KTM Team Delta ISIS, 20Z
• Bottom bracket: Bosch ISIS
• Sprocket: Shimano Deore XT 11-36 M771-10
• Pedal: VP-539 MTB
• Wheelset: KTM Line 27.5 "DT / DT350
• Rim: DT Swiss XM 442 584x22.5
• Front hub: DT Swiss 350 to 100 / 15TA 6-bolt
• Rear Hub: DT Swiss 350 to 142 / 12TA 6-bolt
• Tires: Schwalbe Nobby Nic Snakeskin 27.5x2,35
• Saddle: Fizik Nisene
• Seatpost: KTM Team SP-719 350 / 30.9
• Closing system: ABUS locking system -Ra Bosch battery
• Chainstay Protector:
• Stand:
• Chain Guard: Miranda chainguard aluminum
• Apron:
• Racks:
• Taillight: B + M Toplight line integrated brake light / license plate illumination
• Front light: Supernova V6s 6V DC, 165 lumens

Must admit I'm not sure why the first foray into S-pedelecs would be an MTB. Off-road usage generally involves climbing (at less than 15mph) or descending (with gravity assistance). The additional benefits of an S-pedelec, chiefly assistance over 15mph, are therefore rather wasted. I would have thought a more appropriate bike would be one focussed more on road or possibly fast trail use, one where sustained drive over 15mph would be expected.

Michael

 

[KTM Bike Industries UK]

Must admit I'm not sure why the first foray into S-pedelecs would be an MTB. Off-road usage generally involves climbing (at less than 15mph) or descending (with gravity assistance). The additional benefits of an S-pedelec, chiefly assistance over 15mph, are therefore rather wasted. I would have thought a more appropriate bike would be one focussed more on road or possibly fast trail use, one where sustained drive over 15mph would be expected.

Michael

target market is every much people who want to ride up the roads / fire roads / trails and then descend on the technical stuff. Think Alpine riding, where these will sell.

For the UK, we're doing this frame with the standard (UK Legal) performance drive bosch system, which will be perfect for the riders looking to do some UK DH / Freeride (where uplift is currently by bus), without the need for the lifts.

 

[jcubbin]

Hi Col,

Will this new facility near Mold be stocking the KTM lycan 27 GPS+ by any chance? I want to try and get one before December if possible and having a dealer close enough to Liverpool for first service and in case of any warranty issues would be ideal.

Thanks

 

[KTM Bike Industries UK]

Hi

Happy to confirm they have indeed already ordered a couple of macina Lycan gps bikes and should have first stock early next week.

 

[jcubbin]

Hi again Col,

if it's not too much trouble would it be possible for you to pass my details on to them? just so you don't have to disclose who they are in the open forum.
I could send you my contact details if that would be possible.

The possibility of getting one of these bikes sooner rather than later is very appealing.


Thanks
Joe

 

[wissy]

Will they be providing sales, servicing etc of ktm pedelecs or just using for rental emtb leisure activity purposes?

 

[SRS]

Must admit I'm not sure why the first foray into S-pedelecs would be an MTB. Off-road usage generally involves climbing (at less than 15mph) or descending (with gravity assistance). The additional benefits of an S-pedelec, chiefly assistance over 15mph, are therefore rather wasted. I would have thought a more appropriate bike would be one focussed more on road or possibly fast trail use, one where sustained drive over 15mph would be expected.

Michael

I completely agree, the additional speed is required on the road. For myself, I'm happy without it off road.

I'm sure most decent downhillers would not want to clatter down on a heavy e-bike. So I cannot see the requirement for them either.

 

[KTM Bike Industries UK]

I completely agree, the additional speed is required on the road. For myself, I'm happy without it off road.

I'm sure most decent downhillers would not want to clatter down on a heavy e-bike. So I cannot see the requirement for them either.

interesting you say that... I'm an ex world cup Downhill racer, and my downhill bike weighed about the same as this eBike.

The lads I race and ride with would love to be able to do 20 runs on their local DH tracks on a bike like this with no need or uplift, and the faster they can get to the top, the more time there is for coming down.

However most of the lands I know also ride and race motorbikes, so the all just want the legal ones, they wouldn't use the s-Pedelec version in the forests in the UK.

 

[KTM Bike Industries UK]

Will they be providing sales, servicing etc of ktm pedelecs or just using for rental emtb leisure activity purposes?

plan is for a full retail / service and test facility, details soon. We'll be pushing this pretty hard because there is a definite need for something in the NW England / Wales to push eBikes to the leisure market.

 

[SRS]

interesting you say that... I'm an ex world cup Downhill racer, and my downhill bike weighed about the same as this eBike.
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Fair comment on comparable weights but the e-bike carries additional weight because it has to.
A downhill bike carrier addition weight, amongst other things for additional strength.

 

[KTM Bike Industries UK]

Fair comment on comparable weights but the e-bike carries additional weight because it has to.
A downhill bike carrier addition weight, amongst other things for additional strength.

True, but no ebike will have the geometry of an out and out dh race bike. These things are more like gravity enduro bikes but at dh bike weights which is what makes them attractive to two key markets. Younger riders and old school Enduro mx riders who can't ride their motorbikes anywherethese days.