Lithium in Series / Parallel & BMS etc

tongxinpete

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Is it possible to use two identical 36v batts in series at times for high speeds, & then to parallel them to give more hill climbing amps (at lower speed) when needed. I am led to believe that two bms units cannot be seriesed up. If not would it be possible to develop a bms that can do this. Idea is to get an Xlyte or MXUS direct motor up to 50mph @ 72v, while then climbing steeper hills @ 18 to 25mph, (36v 50A max) Vehicle is a two seater trike, allowing for a small amount of luggage. The series - parallel idea is to reduce battery size & cost (was done commonly in the days of SLA) Idea is based on an old BSA 3 wheel car I saw
 

trex

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No, you won't get much more torque using your battery in parallel.
If you have a 72V controller, best to run your bike at 72V all the time.
 
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You can mount the batteries in series. The BMS doesn't care, but you could knacker one of them if the BMS wasn't working properly. If I did that, I think I'd put a separate voltmeter or one of those red, amber, green indicators on each battery to be sure.
 
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trex

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I think he means to parallel two identical 36V batteries.
To reach 50mph, he'd need 50A 82V, two 36V 25/30AH batteries in series or a lipo setup.
 

tongxinpete

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I knew the guy who made this
He was in a fairly flat area, so did not need a lot of hill climbing torque. I worked out the torque needed to propel a driver & passenger up a 20% hill + light vehicle weight, & an allowance for a small amount of luggage. I know more amps = more torque, while more volts = higher speed. Given that the hill climb may be low speed (same effect on ICE vehicle) I wondered if putting the batts in parallel to climb the hill, then switching to series to get the cruising speed on the flat could give economies of both cost & weight. As trex says two 36v 30A batts in series for the speed part, then going to parallel for the hill climb. Two things, 1) that LVC for either batt would not need to be a function of the controller, 2) the controller would need to be happy working at both 36v & 72v, with the heavy amps capacity needed when on 36v.
I believe it is not practical to use any current geared motor in this way, Xlyte have a 600 series motor aimed at motor cycle conversion. The direct motors being able to take overvolting without failures.
I doubt this could presently take safely to the UK's congested roads. Battery cost is a huge factor in any vehicle beyond a conventional bicycle. See the idea as a motorbike & sidecar in the 1930s (the original introduction to powered transport for the masses) vs the cost of say a Nissan Leaf
 

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