May 13, 2025May 13 The point is that when a storm damages a house, somebody has to pay for repairs, but when a storm smashes up a field of solar panels, there is nothing you can do to get the glass out of the grass, nor the very poisonous chemicals out of the ground. It renders the fields useless and risks poisoning water creatures and anything else when the chemicals leech into the water course. You can't get a ROHS certificate if it's that dangerous. The tiny amount of dangerous chemicals are not even in the panels which is made of silicon. I bet you don't know where and what amounts of dangerous chemicals are in those panels.
May 13, 2025May 13 Substance Common in Encapsulated? Risk of Leaching (Normal) Risk (Landfill) Lead c-Si panels Yes Very low Low to moderate Cadmium CdTe panels Yes Very low Moderate Selenium CIGS panels Yes Very low Moderate Arsenic CIGS, GaAs Yes Very low Moderate Note: all encapsulated.
May 13, 2025May 13 Well thats that argument out the window. But even then, the glass part of it is kind of a non starter really, in that nothing is going to use those fields for grazing, and what does go to ground will be weathered eventually. And of course nothing like the toxic damage caused by fracking or oil or gas extraction. Common ingredients include methanol, ethylene glycol, and propargyl alcohol. Those chemicals, along with many others used, are considerably hazardous to human health. I think all in all I'd be more comfortable producing electric from solar/wind/wave than all other forms. That said though Nuclear is probably going to supply the bulk of our needs in the future Edited May 13, 2025May 13 by AndyBike
May 13, 2025May 13 You can't get a ROHS certificate if it's that dangerous. The tiny amount of dangerous chemicals are not even in the panels which is made of silicon. I bet you don't know where and what amounts of dangerous chemicals are in those panels. Like EV fires, nobody expected them, so nobody made any regulations. Now we're starting to see EV charging and parking regulations and prohibitions more and more for the sake of safety. It's going to be just the same with solar farms. The first one is treated as a one-off, but after a few more storms, somebody will realise how big a problem it is and have to do something - just like all the scrap GRP wind turbine blades that nobody knows what to do with, so they just bury them. They never thought of that either until it happened.
May 13, 2025May 13 Like EV fires, nobody expected them, so nobody made any regulations. Now we're starting to see EV charging and parking regulations and prohibitions more and more for the sake of safety. It's going to be just the same with solar farms. The first one is treated as a one-off, but after a few more storms, somebody will realise how big a problem it is and have to do something - just like all the scrap GRP wind turbine blades that nobody knows what to do with, so they just bury them. They never thought of that either until it happened. There is always room for improvement but compared to the amount of concrete and steel used in the average power station gas, diesel, biomass or nuclear, the amount of dangerous materials in solar panels is absolutely tiny. I guess we will see more perovskyte panels in the future because of their low cost and high efficiency. There is about 0.2g to 0.4g of lead in each perovskyte panel but encapsulation will mitigate the risk. Don't forget that you can process obsolete solar panels much more easily than an old car or and old building.
May 13, 2025May 13 There is always room for improvement but compared to the amount of concrete and steel used in the average power station gas, diesel, biomass or nuclear, the amount of dangerous materials in solar panels is absolutely tiny. I guess we will see more perovskyte panels in the future because of their low cost and high efficiency. There is about 0.2g to 0.4g of lead in each perovskyte panel but encapsulation will mitigate the risk. Don't forget that you can process obsolete solar panels much more easily than an old car or and old building. What would you do with a field of broken glass, other than build on it? Maybe that's part of the plan. It sounds like a good way to get building permission on farm land.
May 13, 2025May 13 What would you do with a field of broken glass, other than build on it? Maybe that's part of the plan. It sounds like a good way to get building permission on farm land. Give me a digger, I'll clear it. Seriously, the glass can be simply ground down and returned to sand.
May 13, 2025May 13 In the Southwest of England, solar panel owners can export excess electricity to the grid through the Smart Export Guarantee (SEG) scheme, earning a flat rate of 4.1p per kWh. so i have made 8.2p in 30 days under the export fee wont be any point replacing them when the feed in tarrif ends. plus if you have a power cut they dont work anyway:eek: https://lumifyenergy.com/blog/solar-farm-planning-permission/ and looks like i sold my aircon so will get a 3kw diesel generator ready for the power cuts
May 13, 2025May 13 Give me a digger, I'll clear it. Seriously, the glass can be simply ground down and returned to sand. Don't forget that it's full of toxins, so you're going to grind it down and use it for the kids sand pit or cement your new patio with it. Is that right?
May 13, 2025May 13 Don't forget that it's full of toxins, so you're going to grind it down and use it for the kids sand pit or cement your new patio with it. Is that right? It's not full of toxins! The harmful materials are not in organic compounds. If you spent 7 years at university to study chemistry like I have done, you'll see solar panels as benign rather than dangerous.
May 13, 2025May 13 Like EV fires, nobody expected them, so nobody made any regulations. Now we're starting to see EV charging and parking regulations and prohibitions more and more for the sake of safety. It's going to be just the same with solar farms. The first one is treated as a one-off, but after a few more storms, somebody will realise how big a problem it is and have to do something - just like all the scrap GRP wind turbine blades that nobody knows what to do with, so they just bury them. They never thought of that either until it happened. OK then. What is your solution to our energy production in the future ?
May 13, 2025May 13 It's not full of toxins! The harmful materials are not in organic compounds. If you spent 7 years at university to study chemistry like I have done, you'll see solar panels as benign rather than dangerous. You seem to have changed your story. You said above that they contain selenium, lead, cadmium and arsenic. They sound pretty toxic to me. Google says that solar panels are harmless in themselves, but they have to be treated as toxic waste when it comes to disposal.
May 13, 2025May 13 OK then. What is your solution to our energy production in the future ? I'm building a wind powered bike made of eco-friendly materials, like plastic and wood. What's yours?
May 13, 2025May 13 You seem to have changed your story. You said above that they contain selenium, lead, cadmium and arsenic. They sound pretty toxic to me. Google says that solar panels are harmless in themselves, but they have to be treated as toxic waste when it comes to disposal. I didn't change a thing. Panels have different chemistries. That means that the panels you have at your house may contain some but most certainly not all of them greater than just traces. I reckon you know that already but are just bored so just wind me up for a laugh. Still, I bet you can't get any of the harmful substances out of your panels even if you try.
May 13, 2025May 13 they still go to land fill as can not be recycled prob burn them in my rubbish burning power station tho. go down the gaza strip you might find a arm and a leg and depleted uranium ther kids can play with till they get blown up for profit and so Israel can nick all there land Edited May 13, 2025May 13 by soundwave
May 13, 2025May 13 So now more Antarctic Ice, What happened to the melting? Must be having a year off for furlough? Ha
May 13, 2025May 13 its 23c tomorrow mind so dont forget ur forest fire blanket as the atmosphere might catch fire
May 13, 2025May 13 Yeah and its likely the only pic of them damaged you'll ever see, as its just a bit of anti-renewable propaganda uploaded over and over and over. You'll never get them uploading pics of China's 3 gorges solar farm. Just keep convincing the Western plebs they're better paying through the nose for gas and oil produced electricity. You don't live in China.. Except in your mind? Just keep convincing western plebs that they're better off paying thru the nose for Fake "Free Green Energy". There, fixed it for you? You're welcome
May 13, 2025May 13 What happened to this one? Did they accidentally send all the power thru it? Do you want it on your roof?
May 13, 2025May 13 Then the sun is gone and it's worthless.. just when you need electricity ! Oh dear, back to legacy power.
May 13, 2025May 13 What happened to this one? Did they accidentally send all the power thru it? Do you want it on your roof? That looks like some sort of lithium storage battery went off underneath it. Maybe it was to power the control system or something like that. Or was it the owner came to visit in his EV, and its battery went off while he was checking the other panels and taking the photos/film.
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