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Kudoscycles

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Some of the Poles have come to the UK to establish a long term life,some are here to earn some money and use it to start a life back in Poland.
My son,a pilot,is now flying out of Gdansk....he remarked that parts of the city are an enormous building site,they have an area named Granary Island,which is being developed Canary Wharf style,it appears that there is the start of big construction projects in that city,we may lose the best of the Polish workers back to Poland. Gdansk is a beautiful city reconstructed after the war in the old style,Sopot its near neighbour is a lovely beachside tourist town,nice place for a long weekend.
So the migrant problem may go away,they may prefer to stay at home.
On the other side of the coin Gdansk university is attracting students from all over the world,including Brits,do we really want to stop our young people living,training and working in the EU.?
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tillson said:
A round of applause please for the man in orange.
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I don't want or need your applause... however I'd appreciate if you didn't just a whole mass of people as "coming here for benefits"

tillson said:
Solution, do all that we can with the limited resources we have to prevent ecconomic migrants illegally entering the UK.
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In my eyes the solution is simply. Allow them in legally, let them work, and tax them the same as everyone else.

We all benefit.
 
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Kudoscycles said:
Some of the Poles have come to the UK to establish a long term life,some are here to earn some money and use it to start a life back in Poland.
My son,a pilot,is now flying out of Gdansk....he remarked that parts of the city are an enormous building site,they have an area named Granary Island,which is being developed Canary Wharf style,it appears that there is the start of big construction projects in that city,we may lose the best of the Polish workers back to Poland. Gdansk is a beautiful city reconstructed after the war in the old style,Sopot its near neighbour is a lovely beachside tourist town,nice place for a long weekend.
So the migrant problem may go away,they may prefer to stay at home.
On the other side of the coin Gdansk university is attracting students from all over the world,including Brits,do we really want to stop our young people living,training and working in the EU.?
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That's very true Dave and reverse migration is notably higher in the Polish communities around the UK than any other group.

I used to live just a short walk from the Polish War Memorial, off the A40 at the Ruislip turn-off. Several of those Poles who regularly attended the services at the memorial were also members of the British Legion at Ruislip, (my connection with them), and other branches in that area. Most people know that the Polish pilots who flew against the Luftwaffe in the Battle of Britain were amongst the most skilful of our pilots and many who survived the war, settled in the UK.

They are a very proud people and those who remained in Britain all worked and contributed to our economy, just as those German POWs who chose to remain here after the war.

Britain would be a poorer place without the immigrants who have played their part in boosting our economy and to flatly refuse to accept new immigrants based on the imagined fears of people who were persuaded by the lies of far-right fascists would be our loss and the gain of our European partners and competitors.

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There exists a notion that it's a simple matter for foreign people to enter Britain legally or illegally. That suggests that we have no-one checking which isn't quite true. We have people, the staff of the UK Visas and Immigration division of the Home Office who do exactly that. Sadly, their numbers are insufficient for the sheer volume of work required - tory government cuts to the public sector caused that situation.

Unlike the opinions on those attempting entry that have been expressed here, there is a protocol which our staff are guided by:

Definitions of Migrant Groups

  1. Legal Immigrant: an individual, who is not an EU/EEA citizen, and has entered the UK legally for the purposes of working or studying or as a recognised family member of a legal immigrant.

  2. Illegal Immigrant: an individual who has entered or remained in the UK unlawfully.

  3. Asylum Seeker: under the Immigration Rules (327), an asylum applicant is a person who either; (a) makes a request to be recognised as a refugee under the Geneva Convention on the basis that it would be contrary to the United Kingdom’s obligations under the Geneva Convention for them to be removed from or required to leave the United Kingdom, or (b) otherwise makes a request for international protection.

  4. Refugee: de ned by the 1951 United Nations Convention relating to the Status of Refugees and 1967 Protocol (the Refugee Convention), as being a person who, owing to a well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion, is outside the country of their nationality. The individual is unable or, owing to such a fear, is unwilling to avail themselves of the protection of that country; or who, not having a nationality and being outside the country of their former habitual residence, is unable, or owing to such fear is unwilling to return to it. Recognition of refugee status by the UK is a pre-requisite to the grant of asylum in the country.


    It is based on decency and humanity.

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oldtom said:
There exists a notion that it's a simple matter for foreign people to enter Britain legally or illegally. That suggests that we have no-one checking which isn't quite true. We have people, the staff of the UK Visas and Immigration division of the Home Office who do exactly that. Sadly, their numbers are insufficient for the sheer volume of work required - tory government cuts to the public sector caused that situation.

Unlike the opinions on those attempting entry that have been expressed here, there is a protocol which our staff are guided by:

Definitions of Migrant Groups

  1. Legal Immigrant: an individual, who is not an EU/EEA citizen, and has entered the UK legally for the purposes of working or studying or as a recognised family member of a legal immigrant.

  2. Illegal Immigrant: an individual who has entered or remained in the UK unlawfully.

  3. Asylum Seeker: under the Immigration Rules (327), an asylum applicant is a person who either; (a) makes a request to be recognised as a refugee under the Geneva Convention on the basis that it would be contrary to the United Kingdom’s obligations under the Geneva Convention for them to be removed from or required to leave the United Kingdom, or (b) otherwise makes a request for international protection.

  4. Refugee: de ned by the 1951 United Nations Convention relating to the Status of Refugees and 1967 Protocol (the Refugee Convention), as being a person who, owing to a well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion, is outside the country of their nationality. The individual is unable or, owing to such a fear, is unwilling to avail themselves of the protection of that country; or who, not having a nationality and being outside the country of their former habitual residence, is unable, or owing to such fear is unwilling to return to it. Recognition of refugee status by the UK is a pre-requisite to the grant of asylum in the country.


    It is based on decency and humanity.

    Tom
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Agree with that. It's just a case of deciding which category, 1, 2, 3, or 4 those attacking lories with scythes and "bricking" law enforcement officials fit into.
 
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tillson said:
Agree with that. It's just a case of deciding which category, 1, 2, 3, or 4 those attacking lories with scythes and "bricking" law enforcement officials fit into.
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Nothing wrong with a rich fantasy life (especially liked the "scythes" bit, made me remember buffy the vampire slayer for a moment). Segregating populations on the basis of ones fantasies seem more dodgy. perhaps it would work better in north korea, or at a trump rally?
 
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RobF said:
Brexit is irrelevant to the NHS and our benefits system which makes this country the land of milk and honey for economic migrants.
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For perhaps the first time in your life, why not try looking at the facts? you will find them explained in detail here
http://www.refugeecouncil.org.uk/policy_research/the_truth_about_asylum/facts_about_asylum_-_page_1
They will surprise you, but then, facts don't impress you, do they?
So they are unlikely to even begin to dent those blinkers you wear.
This is no land of Milk and Honey for "economic migrants" as you describe them so readily in the light of a prejudiced view, despite there being not one jot of evidence to support it.
 
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