No, this is Wales..............JonesAll booked in as Mr & Mrs Smith?
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Grenfell Tower
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In a final analysis, and presumably after a number of months, the number of identifiable bodies will be determined. However that is months into the future. A count of the current missing , presumed dead should be published. Do you not find the absence of comment from the media surprising?. The only figure I have found is that by today 700k had been dispersed ,as stated in parliament at 5.k5 per person., This could mean 350 survivors.
Yes, there is no reason not to publish the number of people currently reported to the Police as missing.
Actually I nearly typed that, but then hesitated, thinking it might be thought somewhat racist. So I stuck to the usual context of Smith.
See, I do care about other's feelings, even those of Welsh people!
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I thought a figure of around 70 people (expected to rise) had been published. I honestly don't think they can say anything else. I don't think anything sinister or underhand is taking place, but I accept that I could be wrong.
Relax, The Welsh are well able to take care of themselves and find the English PC attitudes rather patronising.Actually I nearly typed that, but then hesitated, thinking it might be thought somewhat racist. So I stuck to the usual context of Smith.
See, I do care about other's feelings, even those of Welsh people!
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(Anyway Flecc, do you have Welsh, or Welsh Italian connections?)
In a connected matter, Prince Harry has been protesting about his being in the TV publicised funeral procession for his mother at just 12 years old, saying he didn't think it would happen today.
I'm afraid he's wrong, seen on TV the funeral procession for the first Grenfell victim with family present had a little lad in shorts of probably under 9 years old immediately following the hearse.
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I'm afraid he's wrong, seen on TV the funeral procession for the first Grenfell victim with family present had a little lad in shorts of probably under 9 years old immediately following the hearse.
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Given today's revelation.....well, I think most people familiar with fire deaths would have realised this is often how the victims actually die already, can we expect to see some police action against a range of individuals who may be criminally culpable in this affair?
Tom
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I know they do and I also get annoyed about PC, but I still try to tread lightly online where there could be sensitivity.
I don't know of any Welsh connection in my family, my father Italian with parents both Italian nationals and my mother Anglo-Scot since her mother was Scottish. Her father's name was Baker, very English and he was London born.
My friend in my last primary school was Welsh. We lost touch at 11 years old when only I passed the scholarship and went to grammar school while he got shipped into the private Canford School.
By an odd coincidence he was being interviewed recently about some of his life on a BBC Radio 4 PM program that I was listening to. A big gap from 11 to 81 years old for both of us!
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It is just that many Welsh have Italian connections.
My late wife looked Italian as do her sisters and brother, but she did not know of any ancestry, even though her father looked like a Mafia Godfather!
Visiting Italian restaurants, the Italian waitresses would look at her and assume that she was Italian. That said, many Welsh are quite swarthy, brown eyed, black hair.
Similar in Scotland, and I think it may have been a factor in so many Italians settling in Wales and Scotland. Either a conscious or subconscious awareness of fitting in.
In a connected way, many Eastern European Jewish immigrants of swarthy appearance adopted Scottish names since that suited their appearance. A notable, possibly notorious, example being Jan Ludwig Hoch who was known in England as Robert Maxwell.
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the cyanide comes from high temperature decomposition of polyisocyanurate that is used to make the insulation panels. Who do you think is/are to blame for this?
TM and her ministers?
There's been speculation in here that people in the upper floors of Grenfell Tower are unlikely to have got out and that the death rate will be much higher as a result.
I haven't agreed with that for various reasons. For example we know that some upper floor residents were out, London being the 24 hour city that it is, and returned to see the tower on fire. We also know of a family on an upper floor who were alerted by telephone and got out.
Now I have information on the people of another upper floor, the 17th. Mesrob Kassemdjian, a popular lecturer at UCC (University Centre Croydon) and known as Robbie to his students was a resident on that floor. He'd smelt smoke, looked out and saw fire below, so he alerted his girl friend and aunt who were staying with him and they then alerted the neighbours. Making their way downstairs their neighbours were heard right behind them and all got out unhurt.
Of course he's lost everything including his extensive book collection, but UCC's Criminology Department are organising a fund raiser for him to replace his book collection.
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I haven't agreed with that for various reasons. For example we know that some upper floor residents were out, London being the 24 hour city that it is, and returned to see the tower on fire. We also know of a family on an upper floor who were alerted by telephone and got out.
Now I have information on the people of another upper floor, the 17th. Mesrob Kassemdjian, a popular lecturer at UCC (University Centre Croydon) and known as Robbie to his students was a resident on that floor. He'd smelt smoke, looked out and saw fire below, so he alerted his girl friend and aunt who were staying with him and they then alerted the neighbours. Making their way downstairs their neighbours were heard right behind them and all got out unhurt.
Of course he's lost everything including his extensive book collection, but UCC's Criminology Department are organising a fund raiser for him to replace his book collection.
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It seems not a lot, for when he went out into the hall and stair area to check the lifts he said he smelt smoke there but didn't mention seeing any.
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The fire service people I,ve spoken with ( one of whom is an investigator) is quite convinced of two things.
a) Real death toll is much higher than currently reported.
b) The temperatures reached in the flats ( even with a cursory study of pictures its obvious temp was very high) will have destroyed much,if not all, of any human evidence.
I don't think we will ever know the real number, the police are now saying there could be significantly more..
In theory, if fire doors are closed, the single staircase should stay smoke free and will have had extra fire protection. Inadequate as they have proved there are regs about time,distance from single stairs and regs about it being kept fire,smoke free as long as possible.
a) Real death toll is much higher than currently reported.
b) The temperatures reached in the flats ( even with a cursory study of pictures its obvious temp was very high) will have destroyed much,if not all, of any human evidence.
I don't think we will ever know the real number, the police are now saying there could be significantly more..
In theory, if fire doors are closed, the single staircase should stay smoke free and will have had extra fire protection. Inadequate as they have proved there are regs about time,distance from single stairs and regs about it being kept fire,smoke free as long as possible.
Hi flecc, just a minor correction to my previous posting, the colleague of my daughter referred to is actually from the grenfell tower building itself and did get out without any possessions of course. So her comments about the stronger community bonds within the building have added value!