June 27, 200817 yr Hello all concerned. Just finished my first range testing of my Pro-Connect and the results are very good. Conditions. 49cm Pro-Connect. 18 tooth rear sprocket modification. Male rider (not that fit). 5ft 11inch tall. 13stone 7lbs. Pannier with total weight of 10lbs. Total weight 199lbs. Bike on high power all the way. Fully charged to dead battery based on 5 identical commutes. I basically lost 1 light on the battery for each commute. Each commute was an average of 5.13 miles and 464 feet of climb (12hills), the max hill was a 1 in 10. Results.... 25miles which included 2,325 feet of ascent. All data came from my Garmin etrex attached to the bike. Data was then uploaded to my PC and compiled by my Fugawi mapping software. I am very pleased with this result for a very hilly area like Sheffield. Mid power setting range in the next few weeks. Any comparisons? Regards Bob. Edited June 27, 200817 yr by burncycle
June 27, 200817 yr 25miles which included 2,325 feet of ascent. Hi Bob, Sounds good. How are you working out your ascent value? Is there some crafty piece of software out there to help work this type of thing out? Regards, Elephants Edited June 27, 200817 yr by ElephantsGerald
June 27, 200817 yr Author Hi Bob, Sounds good. How are you working up your ascent value? Is there some crafty piece of software out there to help work this type of this out? Regards, Elephants Sorry there. Ive added it to the post now above. I did it with a Garmin etrex and Fugawi mapping software.
June 27, 200817 yr Sorry there. Ive added it to the post now above. I did it with a Garmin etrex and Fugawi mapping software. Interesting. I don't suppose that would be free software would it (P.S. Apologies for my previous appalling spelling)
June 27, 200817 yr Thanks for those results Bob, it's a fine performance for that climb and on a Pro Connect geared up by 22%. .
June 27, 200817 yr Author Interesting. I don't suppose that would be free software would it (P.S. Apologies for my previous appalling spelling) No sorry. Its very Cheap though compared to most mapping software. Amazon.co.uk: fugawi Buy this with a Garmin etrex and a serial cable and you have a very good package. Well recommended !
June 27, 200817 yr Author Thanks for those results Bob, it's a fine performance for that climb and on a Pro Connect geared up by 22%. . Thanks Tony. My internal battery though continues to provide poor range. Last battery light continuosly flashing. Going for a major upgrade when I return from my Holidays. Major weight loss and more training on the bike.
June 27, 200817 yr Crikey Bob thats stunning compared to what i'm getting on the medium setting on my agattu (26 miles) I guess the 6.5st extra i'm carrying round would appear to be the cause.
June 27, 200817 yr Thanks Tony. My internal battery though continues to provide poor range. Last battery light continuosly flashing. Going for a major upgrade when I return from my Holidays. Major weight loss and more training on the bike. ........Don't overdo it though, it's supposed to be electric assist for the human, not human assist for the bike as with some e-bikes I could name. .
June 27, 200817 yr Crikey Bob thats stunning compared to what i'm getting on the medium setting on my agattu (26 miles) I guess the 6.5st extra i'm carrying round would appear to be the cause. I get a flashing light after 20 miles (200 ft climb on the way home) but all in high mode. If I stick to medium/low except for the hills (or a quick power boost) I am left with 2 lights after 20 miles. This with an Agattu with 18 tooth sprocket. With the 22 tooth sprocket the range was 37 miles all in high mode, so quite a drop in range with the smaller sprocket. Edited June 27, 200817 yr by HarryB
June 27, 200817 yr ........Don't overdo it though, it's supposed to be electric assist for the human, not human assist for the bike as with some e-bikes I could name. .Flecc: Do us all Pro C. wannagets a favour by comparing the offered data of members with the touted info given by the 0ffical 50 Cycles. Or is that against your sense of impartiality? I don,t give a ... what some smartass may say-I, for one, generally go by your comments.
June 27, 200817 yr Author ........Don't overdo it though, it's supposed to be electric assist for the human, not human assist for the bike as with some e-bikes I could name. . No I wont Tony. Its just early days for me thats all. I have noticed I am contributing more with the sprocket change though, but the bike does feel more like a proper bike now, as apposed to before, which is better for me. The great thing about these bikes is that you can choose to be lazy or work harder if you wish. I would have never had that option with the Torq.
June 27, 200817 yr Flecc: Do us all Pro C. wannagets a favour by comparing the offered data of members with the touted info given by the 0ffical 50 Cycles. Or is that against your sense of impartiality? I don,t give a ... what some smartass may say-I, for one, generally go by your comments. 50cycles don't offer an opinion as such, they repeat the official Kalkhoff information: Range up to 80 km assisted. (that's 50 miles) My review of the similar Agattu supports that as I showed I can exceed that figure. However, if the off switch isn't used when assist isn't necessary or Eco isn't used, the range can fall to anything between 30 and 35 miles. If the rider weight is very high, and/or the terrain is extremely hilly, that can also reduce the range. If the rear sprocket is changed to gear up the bike, that reduces the range. The rock bottom if everything is hopelessly unfavourable would still be well over 20 miles (32 km), still covering your popular trips. The highest with a very powerful rider in moderately rolling country could be approaching three figures. . Edited June 27, 200817 yr by flecc
June 27, 200817 yr The great thing about these bikes is that you can choose to be lazy or work harder if you wish. I would have never had that option with the Torq. That's very true, to my knowledge only two forum members seem to be skilled enough on throttle control to determine reliably how much they put in on the Torq 1 and get a very high range. I certainly can't, the throttle fluctuations on bumpy roads make it impossible for me, so I just take the fairly lazy option and imagine the exercise. .
July 25, 200817 yr Author UPDATE. After some workouts on the bike in the gym on holiday, my internal battery seems to have achieved an upgrade. Instead of using 1st gear on the steeps, I now use 2nd gear. The old heart and lung are starting to come to life. New methods are high power on hearty hills and medium on the flats, though mainly high power. Got 30miles out of the battery. Just though I'd let everyone know. Bob
July 25, 200817 yr Thanks Bob. You may be able to get down to medium most of the time, I personally prefered the Agattu that way, but of course I wasn't on a deadline to get to work, which always helps. .
July 25, 200817 yr Author Thanks Bob. You may be able to get down to medium most of the time, I personally prefered the Agattu that way, but of course I wasn't on a deadline to get to work, which always helps. . No this isn't a commute test Tony, but a contiuous ride I did today. Also I didnt add it included a 3000feet ascent in total. Need to drag myself in the shower now though. Regards Bob. Edited July 25, 200817 yr by burncycle
July 25, 200817 yr Hello all concerned. Just finished my first range testing of my Pro-Connect and the results are very good. Conditions. 49cm Pro-Connect. 18 tooth rear sprocket modification. Male rider (not that fit). 5ft 11inch tall. 13stone 7lbs. Pannier with total weight of 10lbs. Total weight 199lbs. Bike on high power all the way. Fully charged to dead battery based on 5 identical commutes. I basically lost 1 light on the battery for each commute. Each commute was an average of 5.13 miles and 464 feet of climb (12hills), the max hill was a 1 in 10. Results.... 25miles which included 2,325 feet of ascent. All data came from my Garmin etrex attached to the bike. Data was then uploaded to my PC and compiled by my Fugawi mapping software. I am very pleased with this result for a very hilly area like Sheffield. Mid power setting range in the next few weeks. Any comparisons? Regards Bob.I´ve got a BH/Panasonic 26v. 8Ah 240 w. motor. 2nd charge: On mixed terrain with not so many hills 2 quite steep, on top mode and never switch off 43 km. 1st charge: trying the bike for the first time, doing all sort of things in mixed terrain, gentle hills: 54 km. 3d charge: last light blinking slowly when I stopped: 57km. I think i had 3/km left. This 3rd time I used the bike"reasonably" in mixed terrain with a couple of steepish hills. Does it help you in your analysis ha ha? Poppy
July 25, 200817 yr ........Don't overdo it though, it's supposed to be electric assist for the human, not human assist for the bike as with some e-bikes I could name. .Tony: Given the effort that i have to put on some hills i imagine that i am dragging those sort of bikes ha ha!
July 25, 200817 yr No I wont Tony. Its just early days for me thats all. I have noticed I am contributing more with the sprocket change though, but the bike does feel more like a proper bike now, as apposed to before, which is better for me. The great thing about these bikes is that you can choose to be lazy or work harder if you wish. I would have never had that option with the Torq. You could choose to work hard on the Torq tackling some hills, wouldn´t you? And of course, there is still the switch off mode ha ha!
July 25, 200817 yr 50cycles don't offer an opinion as such, they repeat the official Kalkhoff information: Range up to 80 km assisted. (that's 50 miles) My review of the similar Agattu supports that as I showed I can exceed that figure. However, if the off switch isn't used when assist isn't necessary or Eco isn't used, the range can fall to anything between 30 and 35 miles. If the rider weight is very high, and/or the terrain is extremely hilly, that can also reduce the range. If the rear sprocket is changed to gear up the bike, that reduces the range. The rock bottom if everything is hopelessly unfavourable would still be well over 20 miles (32 km), still covering your popular trips. The highest with a very powerful rider in moderately rolling country could be approaching three figures. .Totally agree with your estimate. 3 charges took 169 km. The laziest one (never switch off, almost never on eco mode) with gentle hills: 57 km. I am 72 kg.
July 25, 200817 yr UPDATE. After some workouts on the bike in the gym on holiday, my internal battery seems to have achieved an upgrade. Instead of using 1st gear on the steeps, I now use 2nd gear. The old heart and lung are starting to come to life. New methods are high power on hearty hills and medium on the flats, though mainly high power. Got 30miles out of the battery. Just though I'd let everyone know. BobBob: My technique(sounds absurdly pedantic in a rookie) is Eco and 7/8 gear on flats, Top mode on hills-4/5th gear on gentle hills and 2/1 on steep ones. I´ve never used Standard. When i can´t cope with Eco i have the impression that Standard won´t do the job and i skip it. Haven´t made any changes on the bike.
July 25, 200817 yr Author You could choose to work hard on the Torq tackling some hills, wouldn´t you? And of course, there is still the switch off mode ha ha! Hi Poppy. PS Vigo was great ! Yes the Torq will always be a fun fun bike, but the pro connect beats it hands down. The bike is so adaptable to your changing needs. When I commute to work I just leave it on high power all the way cus im off to work of course and I dont want to get to work too sweaty. But for pleasure rides im now using a combination of all the power settings, depanding on the terrian. Your could never do that with the torq. PS a correction to my ascent. its 3000feet and not 300feet. The ascents do zap the battery too I find, especially the long steep ascents. Edited July 25, 200817 yr by burncycle
July 25, 200817 yr I have now done a couple of commutes on my Pro Connect 53cm. I fully charged the battery last night and when I got home this evening the battery still had 3 LEDs on it. I left it in medium mode all the time. The gears have not been modified (yet), I have never used 1st or 2nd gear and only once used 3rd, I use 7th and 8th most of the time. According to bikely.com the journey to work (one way) is: 14.8 miles / 23.8 km total descent 1164 ft / 355 m total ascent 564 ft / 172 m So that's a total of 29.6 miles and 1728 ft ascent but none of the hills are particularly steep. It takes about 55 minutes to get to work and 1 hour 5 minutes to get home. I was hoping to be able to get to work in under 1 hour so I'm happy with this. Since I'm averaging about 15 miles an hour I guess I'm doing more work than the Pro Connect. Maybe if I changed the sprocket I could get to work a bit faster, there is certainly enough range at the moment to allow a slight reduction as I would expect to be able to do well over 50 miles on one charge in medium mode on the standard Pro Connect. Julian Edited July 25, 200817 yr by Julian
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