Police Check

Tony1951

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I'm just slightly bewildered at the concept of a respectable individual who is not prepared to cooperate with a polite request to say what they are doing by a police officer, when asked, or to identify themselves when asked who they are.

I am put in mind of a video a couple of months ago by a bizzare delinquent, living in some hilly suburb in the north west who filmed and published video of his refusal to stop and fleeing at breakneck speed down footpaths. I easily found his actual address just from the information shown on screen.

Some people identified with the 'lad'. Don't understand that. He was one of those riff raffy wretches that fit themselves up with a go pro and set out to confront and abuse police doing their jobs while filming them for some riff raff channel on youtube.

Enabling outlawry on e-bikes, or approving of it is no good for any of us. The more it happens the more trouble we will get as riders.
 
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Sparksandbangs

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Road Traffic Act 1988
163 Power of police to stop vehicles
(1)A person driving a motor vehicle on a road must stop the vehicle on being required to do so by a constable in uniform.

(2)A person riding a cycle on a road must stop the cycle on being required to do so by a constable in uniform.

(3)If a person fails to comply with this section he is guilty of an offence.

Road Traffic Act 1988
192 General interpretation of Act
“road”, in relation to England and Wales, means any highway and any other road to which the public has access, and includes bridges over which a road passes,

Common law definition:-
A highway is a way over which there exists a public right of passage, that is to say a right for all Her Majesty’s subjects at all seasons of the year freely and at their will to pass and repass without let or hindrance. (Halsbury’s Laws (2019 Ed) 55[1]).
 
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AndyBike

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Absolute legality is one thing, but if a cop asks you details etc and you refuse, chances are they're not going to salute you and say, thank you for your time Sir, and wave you off on your merry way.
They're going to make the interaction difficult. They're going to then question you about the bike, what you have in your pockets or any number of things.

Have you been drinking Sir, or Your eyes seem a little glazed, have you taken any drugs.
Or even, we've had reports of such and such and you fit the bill
You will then be detained(ie handcuffed, without the cuffs being locked, so any movement they will tighten in a rather uncomfortable way) They'll then demand your id on pain of arrest and a wee trip down the station.
 
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Tony1951

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I tend not to believe AI unless I've fact checked it first. It wasn't that long ago that Google AI was saying the best way to stick cheese on pizza was to glue it.
The rate of improvement is at an astronomical curve. The progression is really bonkers - but I doubt I need to tell you that.
 

soundwave

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first thing i did when i got my bike is try get plod to chase me, they never bothered.

i have had plod in my house told them my bike was de restricted as rode past them going through the gate then masked up back then came in my house and took of there masks so sparked up a spliff :p
 

Tony1951

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QUOTE="soundwave, post: 749808, member: 13916"]

first thing i did when i got my bike is try get plod to chase me, they never bothered.

i have had plod in my house told them my bike was de restricted as rode past them going through the gate then masked up back then came in my house and took of there masks so sparked up a spliff :p
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And you are not ashamed to tell us this?
 

soundwave

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8 years ago lol
 

Tony1951

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Anybody can stop and ask you questions. The question is whether you have to answer or co-operate in any way. We've established that you have to co-operate when they stop you on the road, but even then, I'm not sure what they can do if there's no grounds for suspicion of a crime. This is what AI says:
"In general, if a police officer stops you on your bicycle, you do not have to give them your personal details unless they suspect you of committing a crime or have reasonable grounds to believe you are linked to an offense."
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In general, if a police officer stops you on your bicycle, you are required to stop and provide your name and address if they reasonably believe you have committed a traffic offense, or are acting suspiciously. However, you are not legally required to allow the officer to search your bicycle or its contents unless they have reasonable grounds to suspect a crime has been committed and have obtained the necessary legal authority to do so (such as a warrant or specific legal power like stop and search). "

A lot of people make assumptions about police powers, which the police use to their advantage, especially to intimidate you, but you have rights, which they're not allowed to infringe on.I'm not really interested in what's polite or friendly. I just want to know where the border is between what you must do.
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In relation to the power of arrest - If a person refuses to identify themselves when asked by police, who believe they have reasonable grounds for suspicion of an offence, the officer may arrest them:

(a) to enable the name of the person in question to be ascertained (in the case where the constable does not know, and cannot readily ascertain, the person’s name, or has reasonable grounds for doubting whether a name given by the person as his name is his real name):

An officer might decide that a person’s name cannot be readily ascertained if they fail or refuse to give it when asked, particularly after being warned that failure or refusal is likely to make their arrest necessary (see Note 2D). Grounds to doubt a name given may arise if the person appears reluctant or hesitant when asked to give their name or to verify the name they have given.

I doubt you have any other option but to cooperate with a policeman who stops you anywhere at any time, unless you are happy to be arrested and to have biometric samples taken from you - DNA, Finger Prints and photographs.

Of course you can remain silent and unresponsive,but doing so will certainly escalate the whole business to a level most people would regard as inadvisable, unless the individual seeks some form of martyrdom.

Personally - I'd happily give my name and address, show identification if asked and explain what I was up to.

I have never had to do more than open my mouth and use the word 'Officer' a couple of times to entirely satisfy any enquiry that has been made of me between the ages of 14 and 74. Maybe half a dozen times including being pulled over for speeding in 1971 and failure to comply with a traffic sign in 1975, when I was obviously at fault.

I remember about fifty years ago at about five in the morning, being quizzed by an officer when I was waiting for my mate outside his house. I was sitting in my mini van with the engine running and I had a shotgun and ammunition in the back. We were going shooting and my mate had over slept. He asked me my name and wrote it down. I told the cop we were going shooting pigeons and that I had a firearm with me. He just said something like, 'Have you got a license'. I answered, 'Of course', and laughed . 'Oh - ok then. We just like to see who is about at night,' and went on his way. He didn't ask to see it, and I don't think I had it with me.
 
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Tony1951

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8 years ago lol
It is stuff like this that has brought the change in attitude to e-bikes and all the checks and confiscations.

It has also brought you a lot of pain and trouble, and cost the NHS money to put you back together.

Be careful with your videos. You very easily identify yourself. Gloucester.......

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saneagle

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In relation to the power of arrest - If a person refuses to identify themselves when asked by police, who believe they have reasonable grounds for suspicion of an offence, the officer may arrest them:

(a) to enable the name of the person in question to be ascertained (in the case where the constable does not know, and cannot readily ascertain, the person’s name, or has reasonable grounds for doubting whether a name given by the person as his name is his real name):

An officer might decide that a person’s name cannot be readily ascertained if they fail or refuse to give it when asked, particularly after being warned that failure or refusal is likely to make their arrest necessary (see Note 2D). Grounds to doubt a name given may arise if the person appears reluctant or hesitant when asked to give their name or to verify the name they have given.

I doubt you have any other option but to cooperate with a policeman who stops you anywhere at any time, unless you are happy to be arrested and to have biometric samples taken from you - DNA, Finger Prints and photographs.

Of course you can remain silent and unresponsive,but doing so will certainly escalate the whole business to a level most people would regard as inadvisable, unless the individual seeks some form of martyrdom.

Personally - I'd happily give my name and address, show identification if asked and explain what I was up to.

I have never had to do more than open my mouth and use the word 'Officer' a couple of times to entirely satisfy any enquiry that has been made of me between the ages of 14 and 74. Maybe half a dozen times including being pulled over for speeding in 1971 and failure to comply with a traffic sign in 1975, when I was obviously at fault.

I remember about fifty years ago at about five in the morning, being quizzed by an officer when I was waiting for my mate outside his house. I was sitting in my mini van with the engine running and I had a shotgun and ammunition in the back. We were going shooting and my mate had over slept. He asked me my name and wrote it down. I told the cop we were going shooting pigeons and that I had a firearm with me. He just said something like, 'Oh - ok then. We just like to see who is about at night,' and went on his way.
That's right. The key phrase is "Reasonable grounds for suspicion of committing an offence". There have been various test cases that determined suspicious behaviour and non-co-operation is not enough. They has be some sort of evidence of an offence being committed. If you were observed going up a hill without pedalling, that would be enough, or if someone had reported that they'd seen 500w stamped on your motor, that would also be grounds for suspicion of an offence. Riding a bike with fat tyres and a deliveroo box on the back and wearing a black balaclava wouldn't be grounds for suspicion of an offence.

You should watch some of the auditors on YouTube. They test the behaviour of police and security guards by acting suspiciously at government establishments, council offices, police stations, industrial sites, tourist sites and migrant hotels, partly for entertainment, partly for your education and partly to eliminate tyrannical behaviour. They're mainly very polite and cooperative, but they stick to their rights and any rules. Over the couple of years they've been doing it, the behaviour of police and security staff has improved massively, though they generally use intimidation tactics and try to claim authorities that they don't have.
 
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Tony1951

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That's right. The key phrase is "Reasonable grounds for suspicion of committing an offence". There have been various test cases that determined suspicious behaviour and non-co-operation is not enough. They has be some sort of evidence of an offence being committed. If you were observed going up a hill without pedalling, that would be enough, or if someone had reported that they'd seen 500w stamped on your motor, that would also be grounds for suspicion of an offence. Riding a bike with fat tyres and a deliveroo box on the back and wearing a black balaclava wouldn't be grounds for suspicion of an offence.
I'm not so sure you and I have the same view of what a policeman might say about his 'reasonable suspicion' if he were ever challenged by his superiors. If instructed to clear nuisance high powered delivery bikes off the streets in response to complaints, he can say anything he likes about what his reasonable suspicion was. He will know exactly what will pass the sniff test.

'Offences have been reported. I need to check your bike'.

He can in reality stop any, and every e-bike, and look at it, and speak to the owner.

If you asked him why he stopped you, he would likely say,

'We have had a lot of offences in this area and I thought your bike looked like I should take a look at it.'

He might refer to speed, or rate of pedalling. He might say he 'thought' he spotted a throttle on the bike when you were riding, so he stopped you. What matters is HIS view, or reported view of it in the moment when he made the decision to interact with you.

He does not have to be right. He need only show he thought he might have grounds. This is 'reasonable suspicion.'

If the bike is compliant - like in the video you posted a little while back, you will rapidly be on your way.

If it is non-compliant, identification details will be requested.

If the person being investigated on 'reasonable suspicion' or having committed an offence, declines to give their name and satisfy him that the name is correct - probably by showing id, he can, and likely will arrest them with all the pain in the behind that entails - dna - photograph in mug shot library, finger prints and the rest. On the other hand he might just decide it isn't worth the trouble to arrest. It will involve work for him. Or he could be out to make a name for himself.

Police have VERY wide powers AND they have a lot of discretion. Which is why I am always polite and forthcoming. They just let me go on my way, because I am not giving any signs of being a scrote, or trying to hide something. I have always been handled reasonably, because I am polite and reasonable with them. One of my sons when he was a student, aged about 18 got reported for drunk and disorderly purely because he took the sarcastic route and made a disparaging remark about the officers who were questioning him about why he was running down a street at 1 AM. Night in cells. Caution for D&D. Completely unnecessary. His own fault. He'd only had four pints of ale, but he was taking the pi ss.

Way back - circa 1971 I got away with riding a motorcycle with an expired mOT purely by being polite and plausible. I was stopped in Newcastle - no issue found, but was told to present my documents within a few days and given a piece of paper requiring that documents be presented within a certain period.

I went straight to an mot station and tried to get an mot. It failed on some minor thing. I put it right, but the MOT guy would not retest the bike until the next day and wouldn't date it one day earlier. I had a stop on one day and an mot starting the next. I presented the MOT down in London a couple of days later having ridden the C15 down the AI to uni.

The policeman noticed the discrepancy and stood up straight from leaning on the desk and he pointed it out. I just said that when stopped I was on my way to the mot test centre. I am sure he could have phoned up and asked the test centre whether I had an appointment, but he didn't bother, because I was polite and plausible.

I never rode without an mot again. Lesson learned by me. Everyone was satisfied.

This offence I just admitted to was 54 years ago. I doubt anyone would consider it worth taking action now.
 
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AndyBike

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first thing i did when i got my bike is try get plod to chase me, they never bothered.

i have had plod in my house told them my bike was de restricted as rode past them going through the gate then masked up back then came in my house and took of there masks so sparked up a spliff :p
Sorry bud(pun) but sparking a spliff in front of the cops is never going to go well, though I've done it myself in different circumstances. In uniform they are bound to the law, and you can't hold your head up in the cop canteen if you shy away from an arrest, no matter where or to whatever that leads.

Ghost rider is pretty cool as it goes. Bet he's had more close shaves than Gillette.

Much like this guy. I'll wager that fair warmed his legs up
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ppOEVftL7v0
 
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