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He pleaded guilty to violent disorder. Blame his solicitors but not the justice system.
Second time you said exactly the same thing in two different cases in two days.

Two Tier Woosh.

Put people in jail who I don't like the look of, especially when they are obviously not lefty twits.
 
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Second time you said exactly the same thing in two different cases in two days.

Two Tier Woosh.

Put people in jail who I don't like the look of, especially when they are obviously not lefty twits.
When you plead guilty, you give up your right to be tried by jury and right to appeal. You can only appeal if the judge or magistrate commit some technical faults like using the wrong tariffs.
You can't argue later that the sentence is too severe. Your solicitor should have discussed the possibility that the sentence may be more than you expect.
 

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He pleaded guilty to violent disorder. Blame his solicitors but not the justice system.
Any justice system worthy of the name would not allow people to be locked up for making remarks whether on twitter (Lucy Connolly) or this one. Had he thrown bricks at police or attacked property or persons I would not be making any representation on his behalf. He didn't. He shouted his opinions, while others were being violent. Lucy Connolly while incensed at information she had read made a stupid tweet and within two and a half hours she took it down and posted a remark apologising for her ill-tempered remark. This was long before anyone came knocking at her door.

In both cases the people concerned were of limited means. Connolly was a child minder and this fellow works for a tarmac company. Such people can not afford to instruct the best barristers and lawyers. ANY just system would not have imposed sentences like these.

What they REALLY did wrong was to offer to upset the alliance of supporters of unrestricted migration and multiculturalism.


I think we will very soon see a MASSIVE overturning of our politics, because for decades the wishes of the vast majority of the people of this country have been ignored.

Neither of the individuals mentioned here should have done what they did - and had they been educated middle class people, they would most likely have restrained their passions and attempted to express their feelings in a more moderate way, but it is perfectly clear that the forces of law and order are PARTICULARLY virulently fierce against people who express opinions out of favour with the alliance of left and centre politicians and the Chatterarti such as the Guardian tendency etc.

The latest opinion polls show what is happening in response to the frustrations of a great mass of ordinary people.


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A nine month sentence suspended for two years for this???????

Contrast two and a half years jail for the cases discussed above.

Teacher engages in sex with a child in his car and takes her to a travel lodge for sex. Staff report the obviously under aged girl with a twenty-seven year old man and police arrest him...... Suspended sentence.

 

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A nine month sentence suspended for two years for this???????

Contrast two and a half years jail for the cases discussed above.

Teacher engages in sex with a child in his car and takes her to a travel lodge for sex. Staff report the obviously under aged girl with a twenty-seven year old man and police arrest him...... Suspended sentence.

It appears that guy was lucky that the police arrested him before he did worse. He could have got an extra 10 years prisonfor rape if the police arrive the next day.
Don't forget the additional bans and 1 life time ban that were imposed on top of the suspended sentence.
 

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It appears that guy was lucky that the police arrested him before he did worse. He could have got an extra 10 years prisonfor rape if the police arrive the next day.
Don't forget the additional bans and 1 life time ban that were imposed on top of the suspended sentence.
The point is that unlike Connolly and the shouting oaf mentioned above, he walked out of court with only some obligatory work penalties and a derisory amount of costs etc.

As for doing worse - well you are right, but the article says he had the girl in his car and was fondling her breasts while she handled his penis. These matters were accepted as fact - but no 30 months in chokey for him......

Of course he isn't allowed in a school again... To allow that would be ridiculous. That is not a penalty; it is a safety precaution.

Are you not prepared to take on the point that there is one law for some and another for the hoy polloi?
 

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Are you not prepared to take on the point that there is one law for some and another for the hoy polloi?
You can't say that he had sex with an underage student when it didn't happen. So what law do you think he has broken? Then apply the tariff for his proven or admitted crime. For the crime or crimes he admitted to, apply 30% deduction to the average tariff.
 
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Attempt to return illegal migrants to France has failed because their lawyers successfully argued in the High Court that they would be homeless and or destitute if sent back to France.
I know the lawyers just do their job and did the best for their clients but it shows that parliament has to do better to enable our Courts to do their job too.
In France, you don't get help if you don't register as asylum seekers. They lawyers use that fact to argue for illegal migrants.
 
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You can't say that he had sex with an underage student when it didn't happen. So what law do you think he has broken? Then apply the tariff for his proven or admitted crime. For the crime or crimes he admitted to, apply 30% deduction to the average tariff.
You clearly didn't read the articles I referenced.

These details may be offensive to some people:

1. He was the teacher of an under aged girl at a school
2. He was 27 and she was a child.
3. He had taken her in his car and parked up, during which time he fondled her breasts while she 'handled his penis'.
4. He booked the pair of them into a cheap hotel in a room with a double bed. The staff called the police.

If you don't understand that, you can go and look up what constitutes sexual activity with a child.

Then there is this bit:

"Nasir later admitted three counts of sexual activity with a child while in a position of trust and one count of inciting sexual activity. At Guildford Crown Court on November 18 2024, he was sentenced to nine months in prison, suspended for two years."

Absolutely outrageously terrible criminal behaviour but he walked out of court whereas the two cases of speech crime got 30 months in jail. No suspended sentence for them. Neither harmed anyone in any way.

No - you still don't see it do you.

Go on - tell me again that he was banned from the classroom for life and so that's ok.

If you are white British in origin, working class and you say the wrong thing about the wrong sort of people you will be locked up for two and a half years, but if you are a teacher from Pakistan, or of Pakistani heritage, and fiddle with a white British girl - chances are no one will listen to her complaint, and if they do, as in this case, you will get a suspended sentence.

Keep on defending and denying this Woosh. Next time the march will be 250,000 people not up to 150,000.

I never supported Farage - but I am glad he is likely to be the next PM, because he will change all of that and show the political class who have so badly let us down, what the population thinks of them.
 
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It's not rape. Find the applicable law.
 

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Then there is this atrocious case:



Anaesthetist leaves patient under anaesthetic during operation to go and have sex with nurse. They are discovered and he is sacked, but fitness to practise hearing does not strike him off. he received no sanction.
 
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It's not rape. Find the applicable law.
Are you feeling unwell?

There is something wrong with you.

He had sexual activity with a child in his care and plotted to have her again in a hotel room only stopped by hotel staff anf the police and he got a suspended sentence.

I don't think you should be posting. You are obviously not well, in which case I hope you recover soon.
 

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You can't put people in jail in this country because you feel they deserve it. If you want, I ask ChatGPT for you.
 

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Are you feeling unwell?

There is something wrong with you.

He had sexual activity with a child in his care and plotted to have her again in a hotel room only stopped by hotel staff anf the police and he got a suspended sentence.

I don't think you should be posting. You are obviously not well, in which case I hope you recover soon.
From ChatGPT:

Let’s break it down step by step, so you can see how the law led to Waleed Nasir’s 9-month suspended sentence (for 2 years)


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1. The offences and the statutory framework

Statute: Sexual Offences Act 2003 (SOA 2003)

Charges:

3 × Abuse of position of trust: sexual activity with a child (s.16)

1 × Abuse of position of trust: causing/inciting a child to engage in sexual activity (s.17)



⚖ Maximum penalties (per statute):

Each offence under s.16 or s.17 can attract up to 5 years’ imprisonment on conviction in the Crown Court.


So in law, the court could have imposed a custodial sentence of several years.


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2. Sentencing guidelines

The Sentencing Council issues binding guidelines that judges must follow unless it would be contrary to the interests of justice.

For abuse of position of trust (s.16/s.17):

Sentencing factors include:

Aggravating: breach of trust, age gap, premeditation, harm to the victim.

Mitigating: early guilty plea, remorse, no previous convictions, low risk of reoffending.



The guidelines set a starting point and range depending on seriousness.
For lower-end offending in this category (non-penetrative, consensual behaviour but with the abuse of trust element), the custody range often starts at 12 months custody, but can drop lower with mitigation.


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3. Custody vs suspended sentence

In England & Wales:

A prison sentence of between 14 days and 2 years may be suspended for up to 2 years.

This power comes from the Criminal Justice Act 2003 (Part 12) — now consolidated in the Sentencing Act 2020.


A judge will consider suspension if:

1. The offence passes the custody threshold (i.e. too serious for a community order alone).


2. Custody is unavoidable — but immediate prison can be avoided if suspension plus requirements will adequately punish and rehabilitate.




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4. Application in Nasir’s case

Custodial term: 9 months was selected, meaning the judge decided a prison sentence was justified (because of seriousness: teacher, pupil, abuse of trust).

Suspension: The 9 months was suspended for 2 years — signalling that although the behaviour crossed the custody threshold, the mitigating factors (guilty plea, remorse, first offence, “consensual” nature, young age, potential for rehabilitation) made immediate prison disproportionate.

Requirements:

200 hours of unpaid work (punitive).

Rehabilitation activity requirement (rehabilitative).


Protective orders:

Sexual Harm Prevention Order (SHPO) banning him from contact with the victim, entering Travelodges, etc.

Sex Offenders Register entry (automatic for these offences).




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5. Professional consequences

Separate from the criminal court:

The Teaching Regulation Agency (TRA) panel, applying the Teachers’ Disciplinary Regulations 2012, concluded he was unfit to teach.

A lifetime prohibition order was imposed.



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✅ So in summary:

The Sexual Offences Act 2003 (ss.16 & 17) created the offences.

The Sentencing Council guidelines set out custody ranges.

The Criminal Justice Act 2003 / Sentencing Act 2020 gave the judge power to suspend a prison sentence.

A 9-month term was imposed (custody threshold crossed), but suspended for 2 years because mitigation outweighed the need for immediate imprisonment.

Additional statutory orders (SHPO, register) and professional regulation (TRA prohibition) ensured Public protection.
 

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I suppose you wouldn't consider the word 'rehabilitable' should be in his sentencing.
 

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As does ChuckyGPT
"From model trained on 500gb of Wikipedia "

Microsoft $100B stake in chucky
Slowly, slowly, catchee monkey :)

"Chucky drew teen into dark & hopeless place"
RIP
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Are you feeling unwell?

There is something wrong with you.

He had sexual activity with a child in his care and plotted to have her again in a hotel room only stopped by hotel staff anf the police and he got a suspended sentence.

I don't think you should be posting. You are obviously not well, in which case I hope you recover soon.
to be fair, dodgy boundaries are a UK staple. two tier keir celebrating his friendship with the former best friend of a pedo after firing another bloke for being friends with the same and using charlie, father of another best friend of the same as a royal stamp of approval for the entire lovely spectacle comes to mind.

Hamlet's "the murder of Gonzago" has absofuckinglutely nothing on the parody life in the uk has become
 
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