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The Independent? Figures.

If you don't think you can change it why even bother thinking about it?

OG moan? Give over.

So it had nothing to do with Corbyn and all down to Tory slurs and misinformation. With that sort of analysis you really are looking at another 10 years of Tory rule.

It's already done that. In April (or there abouts) the government was slipping towards some kind of Brexit fudge or no Briexit at all - May and her Remain cohorts failing to act on the 2016 result even flirting with a second ref. Then what happened? Farage stepped back into the ring - formed...

True. It did.

Total Labour votes 2019: 10,292,354 Total Labour votes 2017: 12,878,460 How is that a 2% drop?

Hmmmm. Post number 68,249 you said: "the Labour party lost just 2% of it's voters" Which bit am I reading incorrectly?

Flecc was not talking about that - he was referring to the fact that you said Labour's share of the vote had gone down by 2%. Facts suggest otherwise.

Labour share of the vote since 1966:

Hmmmmm. Labour got 32% in this election - in 2017 they got 40%. I am open to arguments as to how that counts as a 2% fall (which is what OG said). In your own time.

Current odds:

But according to Lord OG - he will win! Who are you to contradict the Anointed One?

We all have to atone for our sins one way or another.

Not if I have anything to do with it he won't. I just joined the Labour party - total cost so far £4.30 - and every month after that. So be it. I joined the Torys so that I could vote for Boris in their leadership election - and I want a say in Labour's LE too. Personally I think Lisa Nandy...

OG! A factor of ten! You should hang your head in shame, pick up a dunces cap from the dunces cap cupboard - and sit in the corner of the class until you feel sufficiently atoned.

Labour support was more evenly split on Brexit than the Tories - hence they tried - in vain as it turned out - to straddle both positions. People are saying if they'd just come out one way or the other they would have polled better in the GE - I don't see that - they were in an impossible...

Now you're doing it too. How are you going to win these people back with an attitude like that?

With a majority of 80? Huh?

What's gotten into you Flecc? Why are you still insulting the people who you need to win back to your side? Do you think that will work? You always struck me as reasonable and rational - but I can not for the life of me work out your position here. Are you just so emotionally caught up...