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Probably, but it also proves PR can not be credited with the outcomes you suggest, especially so when it is considered no PR systems utilised within EU are actually solely PR. Even in Danidl's example the PR is engineered to hopefully give a working majority to the dominant party, sort of like...

https://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/is-there-proportional-representation-in-france/ France is not PR so you can not put your so called better governence down to PR.

Hows France doing Flecc? They have FPTWP. I suspect the better infrastructure has more to do with spending than voting. Those countries doing apparently well spend much bigger %age of GDP than we do on infrastructure, welfare etc.

Boris won his Withdrawal Bill with more than his majority.?? Wonder who the extra supporters were. Corbyn??

Hang on a minute Danidl. Your system is not quite full PR, where number of seats correlates to number of votes. Yours is a system of first past the quota mark. (quota is number of votes/ number of seats) So, if I understand it, lets say 2,000,000 votes are cast. The quota id 2,000,000 divided...

We, ll have to agree to disagree Flecc. Subject closed from me.

We dont want driver less cars though Woosh. I like driving and not running over pedastrians.

https://www.britannica.com/place/Italy/Political-process Anybody arguing PR is a panacea for good government really should study Italy's route to their current system. To sum up. They initially had full PR but after countless weak, unstable governments chose to introduce 75% FPTWP and 25% PR...

They didnt do any of that because of PR. Besides, think we are mixing electoral reform at EU level up with National level. Yes, EU demonstrates greater levels of cooperation. What makes you think we, d be sny more coperative in HoC if we had PR? Its a silly conclusion. We would have the same...

You miss the point OG. PR as used throughout EU (except France who dont use PR) would give same party dominance with very similar majorities. Yes, lower parties would be more represented(ie under PR libdems would have 70 seats) but the one party dominance we see in UK is more to do with voting...

Not sure what you are basing that on flecc? Cameron would still have been in power. He, d have still given us his referendum? PR wouldnt change a binary choice??? Have a good read of PR systems in use. They do not give the results you seem to think. They cant. Any country needs a dominant party...

https://theconversation.com/what-would-the-british-parliament-look-like-under-proportional-representation-128808 A very good article explaining workings of Dutch and German PR systems. Both of which still gave Tories a good majority this time. Under full PR we would effectively had a hung...

At best thats a well informed opinion. Every other system in Europe would have given Tories a win this time and with a working majority. Nobody uses complete PR. (well I cant find one but that doesnt mean much) Tories majority would be reduced under both Dutch and German system but still a...

All the systems in Europe are designed to not give unstable (no majority) governments in one waybor another. As long as the basic problem of PR is taken into account I, d agree. Going to absolute PR, as far as, I, m aware, is not case in any of EU cases. Some are split with half using FPTWP and...

Under PR this time we, d have roughly 300 Tories and 200 Labour. (Roughly 10 million labour voters and 15 million Tories) So only change would be nobody would actually have a majority.(Tories got 45% of vote, Labour 30%) So we, d be back making no decisions like last 2 years. Most poweful party...

I agree with you, I, ve witnessed the negative side of unions in at least 2 industries but this comment is very much at odds with your support of current Labour. They are closer and under more influence by unions than ever before. I know Labour movement grew through Unions but in past maintained...

Cant see Farage being that involved now. He, s helped Tories but what force he had is spent. I agree with OJ, he has done good job of providing an outlet and focal point for far right, he, s also tainted them somewhat with his brand of media relations. He doesn't deserve a knighthood though, so...

How, by waiting? You havent suggested anything. By your arguments Labour party stay unchanged waiting for electorate to get educated and pesky tories die of old age. Just grumbling at tories pointless. They need an opposition to oppose them. Corbyn didnt.

I liked his spending plan on Welfare etc thought he was slightly lesser of two evils. But that doesnt stop me seeing faults with Corbyn, Labour and why they lost. Neither does it stop me seeing the possible benefits of BJ, like I, ve said before, the size of his majority at least makes for a...

Well there's a blessing.