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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    You get off being chased by a bear. Each to his own I suppose... And what makes you think any of Corbyn's "deal" would have got any further than May's. His own party wanted to fully remain, McSkulky wanted to fully leave. Your argument is completely hypothetical. Wishful thinking and would have...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Which Labour's decision. They never actually made one. Their manifesto supported Leave in 2017 but they made their mind up to not make a decision by 2019 so advocated another neverendum. Their members, I, d guess, actually supported Remain but putting it to a democratic decision is not really...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    All included, initial consultations, stay in hospital, op, anaesthetia and follow up was around £10k.But that is 3 years ago. Managed to get physio through NHS, which I had for around 4 months. Was under guidance from Mr Bajwa, so all worked well. Initially I was told NHS would contribute...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Had it done at Florence Nightingale Hospital.London. Through Villar Bajwa Practice. (Mr Bajwa carried out op) Had consultations in Cambridge. Yes, private. Initially NHS said they would contribute, had a meeting about it and decided against helping. Its not available on NHS, but there was a...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Its been brilliant. No doubt I, ll have to have knee replaced down line but advice from surgeon for post TKR was forget skiing and windsurfing. So went to Villar Bajwa practice London. Stem cell regen and implanted into knee with biological mesh... 3 months later.... Back on water... The USA...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Your solution is to wait... The labour party we, ve had past 5 years or so is the worst in its history. Intolerant and pretentious. Posters are regularly posting about Trump thi, USA other, NHS being sold to American industrialists but never mention our Labour Party's connections to USA. Time...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Was offered new knee but turned it down. Had stem cell treatment 3 years ago instead. Not perfect but way better than it was. Windsurfing/skiing/sailing on it again.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    It was 21, for not following Party whip. Not idealogical reasons. Why did Corbyn expel Campbell but not Kinnock for voting for Libdems? And Boris was proven right. He made correct substitutions. Corbyn didnt and lost.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I, m afraid thats the feeling o f many and may well happen. Depends what happens over next few years. Dissenting voices were ignored whilst Corbyn was popular. There are positive signs and a few not so. Seems to me Labour ignored the message not because of content but because of messenger.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Wherein lies the problem. Labour had and have no intentions of deals with any "not true labour". They are exactly the opposite of what they preach. Its a form of racism but slanted towards ideology over heritage. They cant make agreements between themselves for good of party or that of country...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    https://mol.im/a/7805207 Thought you were Scottish OG... I, ve been a member of Labour party since 1979. Kettles and black pots spring to mind OG over telling me to stop moaning. What have you been doing on here past 4 years??? Lets hope event you reported produces change. Blair sounded very...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    No, I am not. I, m trying to keep the Labour party in existence as second party. It needs to change, not destroy itself. By all means keep Unite, Momentum, Corbyn but have courage of their convictions and unify with the rest, the Blairs, Campbells and Kinnocks. They all have their place. So...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Ask remainers. Not leavers. But you have a point, why didnt Remainers vote Libdem? As a leaver I havent a clue, well, apart from Jo Swinson in 2019 and Vince Cable in 2017...??? A party doesnt only have to have right manifesto it has to have personell capable of delivering. I suspect Libdem lost...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    And times change, Labour must either change with them or go the way of Betamax video recorders. And Labour should not exist to any stereotyping. Thats my point. They are currently existing to some outdated left wing idealism reinforced by such as yourself and flecc.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    The labour party should learn from it. Tories already cover a much wider spectrum of ideologies than current labour. If you arent a paid up member of Unite, well you arent Labour are you.?
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    You, ve lost me with that. I think you assume being called not proper labour is an insult? I, m afraid the days of us and them politics are gone OG. Its exactly mistake Labour /Corbyn made. The country doesnt want a Union dominated, and by definition of that a left wing, party to lead it. Call...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    He makes a good point. And you are demonstrating both why Labour lost and why Party is in utter disarray. Dont agree with something somebody says (somebody who has never ever voted Tory) and you jump on bandwagon and call them a Tory supporter. What was it Blair was? Torylite. Campbell (by...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    The odd thing about Labour electing leaders is that being in contention normally puts you out of it. Corbyn was not in running last time. I think they will go for a complete newcomer. No previous arguments with McCluskey. No affiliation to remaining or ref2, oh and a female from outside London...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Thats a 20,1% drop. But doesnt take into account the 1.6% few overall votes. Told OG all this... No idea where his 2% came from.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Walt For Consequences sounds like a medieval jouster. Unless you meant "wilt for consequences"??? I hope not OG.