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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I, ve been out all day, and not going back to check, so apologies if this point has been raised already. The petition having reached I believe around 5 million may well be somewhat of an own goal. Yes, I know 5 million is a lot, and broken some odd record, and even allowing for lets say 20%...
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    Hybrid cars

    Last year I tried a Zero 11kw...(Learner legal) Cant remember model but was stunned by how quick it was, no way on earth an ICE 11kw (15bhp) could keep up with it. Range was supposed to be around 120miles but road tests found it nearer 70...Thats enough for a ride around on a Sunday PM???. Was a...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    How will a GE offer options for both leave and remain. It didnt last time and neither party has actually altered any policies. We will be in same position post another GE.. Probably with a stronger Tory party majority. You, ve said yourself voters dont vote according to manifestoes. Cant see at...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Thats not true at all. Would rather see whole thing forgotten than ref2. We could easily be worse off than now, if remain won would best of 3 be asked for and if leave won we are in exactly same position. Government should govern, they havent. They have caused division by putting it into a fb...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Quite s bit of hyperbole there Dave... and panic, and scaremongering... But we, ll see. BTW you forgot scurvy and workhouses.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Well written post. Makes sense but dont write UK off just yet.. In ten years Brexit will be a distant memory... Will it be consequential? Perhaps... Perhaps not.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Dave said nothing about disliking Europeans he said the EU. I have quite a lot to do with our local Asian community, they are a fantastic group and do fantastic work for our local area, doesnt mean I want to be governed from India. Why do you make the leap to xenophobia for dislike of EU. The...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Like what Dave? Besides, much as no deal wouldnt be my first choice its certainly wont be as problematic as some assume.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    We will see. Not sure how they will agree on anything and if they do will EU accept it at this stage. They will have to make more concessions to do so, which wont be easy with ERG etc etc.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    You know how when you look into water on a sunny day and all you see is glare, then you pop on a decent pair of polaroids and suddenly you can see everything. The water takes on a new clarity. You can get same effect on here, just hit ignore button for OG, I, d guess your comments have...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    You, ll be asked to repeat that about a thousand times.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I, m afraid taking into account the chaos in Westminster, fact we could even end up with Corbyn and Abott actually running things, fact May is probably doomed and her successor will be king without a kingdom (tories completely split and only in power because of Corbyn) your suggestion is...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    He couldnt organise that in 2 years let alone 2 weeks. He, s running off, away. He cant stand the heat. He wants out.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    How do they stop it? Lets assume either May's deal fails or they dont hold a 3rd vote. Tell me a viable arrangement for 12th. It must need no negotiating, no meetings with EU.. Possibilities ref2. No chance. Withdraw art 50..Tories will never support that. They know full well they lose next...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    We havent time to sort any other arrangements. EU have said if deal fails we are out on 12th....That means no deal.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Because Bercow stopped her failing a third time. She will be able to say she tried 3 times, she will blame MPs. Barnier knows whats happening. Last thing to die is hope. Its no deal. We havent time for anything else for 12th. Come on, they have had over 2 yeats to make a decision and not managed...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    May's deal can not be changed, one way or another. Softer, or harder. If her deal fails next week, there will still not be a majority to make an alternative choice. I csnt see what anyone can do to prevent no deal on 12th if her deal fails, which it will. The more options offered, the less...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    The point you are missing Woosh is fact that "no deal" is the default result from making no decisions. Since our MPs have collectively been incapable of making an actual decision it seems almost inevitable no deal will bw the outcome. Its the only result which doesnt need a decision, favour or...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Looks like we need to club together and buy OG a Ladybird Dictionary, we could underline hypocrisy , irony, delusion, humour and obsession. He seems unsure about them all.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    From the poster who threw a wobbly over "snowflecc". Rather hypocritical flecc.