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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    My life decisions are mine and havent done me too bad so far. But there you go again, the assumption your decision is somehow more informed, valid, sociable or what ever than mine. It is not. I, m not asking you to justify your bad decision, its not my place. Please re read my posts, I, ve...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Good post. Still want out tho.I dont mind border posts, very good idea with our current threats and insecurity. Nice vision though.But like much of EU its not quite reality.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Totally agreed Danidl. Perhaps there should have been conditions put on ref but they were not. It was a binary decision, in or out, country chose out. That is always going to be the nature of voting. And, just as now voters dont fully understand the complexities of leaving they hadnt a clue...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Its 10.04 AM and OG has posted 11 times today, and he believes he is sane and rational. Its pointless talking to the deranged. I, m putting OG back on ignore, not so I dont read his garbage but to tidy the thread up. Please reciprocate OG. Seriously. (its 12 now)
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    You think our MPs, such as Corbyn, Abbot, Farage etc etc are more capable of making decisions than the 17.4 million who voted to leave. Thats democracy as long as your vote agrees with mine, in other words not democracy at all. You remainers just dont get it. Many many folk just dont want to be...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Its another verb OG doesnt quite understand, but it suits his agenda to accuse leavers of something "nasty".
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    This response only adds validity to Littlejohn's article. The balls up is not leaving on 29th.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Have a look at post 47,440. Circumsrances have changed since then but I thought at time deal would scrape through. Cant see it now, dont think we will get an extension, strongly suspect no deal.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    https://mol.im/a/6811439 The Daily Mail's spin on our current situation..???? Is it that far from the truth??
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Yep, I see that... Could be.. Who knows whats going on in JRM's mind.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Yes, I said same. But not sure now. The same people will still vote against it. One group to try and force no deal the other to try and force a remain. That will not change. The remainers see the delay as time to achieve remain, the ERG see it as time to push for no deal. (they just dare not say...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Perhaps not but the premise of the entire article supplied by OG was to discredit Farage. Also, its common knowledge Farage is against EU granting an extension, Guardian would know that but were still willing to publish as they did along with the financial details. It was presented not as one...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I, ll make up but kissing OG, a fate worse than a fate worse than death. No thanks. What happens if EU dont extend art 50?? And assume they give the requested 12 weeks, what happens if Mays deal collapses again... You couldnt make this up.. Well Guardian could... I cant understand the process...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    This is a complete fabrication by Verhofstadt. Yet the Guardian reported it and then linked those comments to Farage's swelling bank account and even printed amounts. You might think thats good journalism. It isnt. It was done in an effort to discredit Farage and you know it but it supports your...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Thanks Flecc, I can assure you I treat your posts with equal respect and disdain. You obviously listened to a different speech and read a different article. I wasnt criticising OG but the Guardian. But perhaps you are right, it may well have been an MEP lying about Farage. Which is even worse.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I, ve not explained that well. Chances of no deal are no different today as 2days ago. Wether MPs want no deal or not is irrelevant, if they refuse to accept anything else. I totally agree with your point, except for fact EU could have made removing back stop law, but I suspect MPs would still...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    An extension without either a GE or ref2 is utterly pointless and probay so with them, which isnt going to happen. Could quite easily be EU force No Deal on us end of month. Yesterdays vote was barmy. How can they stop no deal. Lets take a vote to stop tide coming in. All in favour.. Motion...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Yep, he, s fine, he, s insulting somebody.. Trump, s comments were actually rather good,infact rather bland for him. All of us have an agenda, its why we all post. Offering links that back up our agendas is fine but IMHO when those links are down right lies, as in case this morning, the...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    But either way last thing Farage wants is an extension, paper mskes out the opposite and justfies it by publishing his account details and suggests Farage wants, needs the EU salary. All utter fabrication. Amazing how misrepresentation is fine by you fro. Guardian towards Farage. Had DM done...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Here are Farage's actual words. Compare that with your article OG. Its actually a perfect example of misrepresentatiin, Fake news and lies. Farage directly asks that no extension is granted. Guardian reports he, s asked for one and for his own personal benefit. They should be sued and punished...