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  1. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    They have no answers and now it's official: no-rationality-please-were-brexiters Tom:)
  2. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Is this a credible source? the-economic-cost-of-brexit-in-gdp-2017-11 Tom
  3. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    This is someone not a correspondent to this forum saying pretty much what the 'remain' camp on here has been saying from the beginning: http://www.newscrasher.com/2017/11/25/this-comment-about-brexit-is-going-viral/ Tom ps some of the sidebar articles on the same page are very funny - here...
  4. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Apart possibly from yourself Dave, do you honestly know of any others? Not one of the people who are part of the campaign group I belong to have changed sides; on the contrary, the number of new inquirers has grown steadily over recent months as more and more people are becoming disillusioned...
  5. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    This quote is from Captain Beatty, when he is explaining some of the history of the future society to Montag. His explanations are entirely from the perspective that the changes in society have been good, and so he is perfectly fine with the idea of an ignorant populace and a massively...
  6. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Meanwhile in the UK, it seems 'Black Friday' knows no boundaries: Tom
  7. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    There's an interesting article from the Russian, state-sponsored news outfit called RT, which used to be known as 'Russia Today', with regard to India's position on its relationship with the UK: 410891-india-immigrants-free-trade Tom
  8. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I cannot understand why you seek to place the onus on the EU, Dave. We all know what the status quo position was and, indeed, still remains. The change which is scheduled to come about in March 2019 is the result, not of any action by the EU, but by the desire of the UK to unfriend itself...
  9. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    The liars leading the nation into international oblivion just don't give up - the tory stock-in-trade is lies and here is another recent example: Eventually, although I believe it will be far too late, the 'Brexidiots' will finally realise that they have been conned - taken for a ride by a...
  10. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    The yellowbelly coward who sold all his party's principles for a taste of power in 2010 and is now attempting to reinvent himself as a mainstream political figure has spoken publicly about the EU border-to be in Ireland. Sadly, as he is both a proven liar and anti-socialist, his words can be...
  11. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    That you ask that question is evidence enough that you are blinkered and have no real understanding of either Irish or British history. Tom
  12. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    That is just bigotry on your part. Tom
  13. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    We need to think of the EU border across Ireland in these terms: how-brexit-looms-over-the-irish-border-its-the-berlin-wall-approaching-us Tom
  14. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    In my case, it's because I like being a citizen of Europe and I do not wish to condemn my children and grandchildren to economic and political isolation, while they watch 27 other sovereign nation states become wealthier and more influential in the world than the UK can ever be again. We are...
  15. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    The political wing of the British establishment, currently embarked on their bloody project to dismantle and sell off every piece of public-owned institutions while condemning ordinary people to austerity......... ............continue to lie to the British people. Remember these promises...
  16. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Barry Gardiner explains what he considers to be 'an assault on parliamentary sovereignty': trade-deals-uk-parliament-scrutiny-campaign-executive What was the lie again about getting sovereignty back? Tom
  17. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    A hypocrite and a plonker of the first order! tory-dwp-secretary-david-gauke-just-suggested-jacob-rees-mogg-was-not-a-reputable-politician Tom
  18. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    The tories are now so encouraged by the continuing support for 'Brexit' from most of the millions of fools who believed the lies and can't bring themselves to believe they made a huge error, that they are now determined to carry on regardless. That means they are intent on disproving Lincoln's...
  19. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    This is from last Tuesday's 'Guardian' and illustrate's just how difficult a problem 'Brexit' has created in Ireland: It seems to me that Theresa Maybe is simply doing that ostrich thing, hoping that it will all have gone away when she pulls her head out of her ar the sand...
  20. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I have always wanted to live in one of those - probably too old now to see it in the UK but I might end up in one of the states within the USofE. That would come close. Tom