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  1. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    There's a lovely, descriptive piece here which ridicules Gove particularly but highlights much of why the 'Brexit' campaign is based on the fantasies of people with no grasp of history or how the progress of mankind is achieved...
  2. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Presumably you have spent ten years living in those places you mention so how was it? What did you learn there? I share my time between two countries and my neighbours abroad are from all over the European continent. We all get along famously and enjoy the ease with which we can travel...
  3. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    So, that will be one UKIP member in the HofC then. Tom
  4. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    A murder by a right-wing supporter of fascism last week; now a serious assault on an elderly man......what does it take to get people to understand the danger of affording right-wing extremism any credence in the political future of this country...
  5. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    It seems to me that an awful lot of people are in denial about the influence of extremists and it's just coincidence that the main 'Brexit' proponents are the parties of the far right. I have a real difficulty trying to get my head round the fact that so many citizens seem prepared to listen to...
  6. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    If people want to read about what is going on in the world or even just in Britain, the British press and media will not enlighten them. It's interesting to compare the differences between what we receive in the UK and what those in other countries are told about the same stories. There is...
  7. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Those of you who take the trouble to cast your eye over my posts will be well aware of my my feelings about the rise of fascism, led primarily by Farage and his United Kingdom Independence Party but supported by a number of other extremist groups and the entire right wing of the tory party. I...
  8. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Even this morning, within 24 hours of the ballot, I listened to someone giving forth about immigration being the cause of our NHS being under pressure. She also ranted about rail and tube strikes, the closure of steel plants and various other situations being the fault of the EU. This tory...
  9. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Just when everyone was getting used to the idea put about by the right-wing extremists that the murderer, Thomas Mair, was simply a lone-wolf nutter with no connection to their relentless, xenophobic hysteria, this turns up. The 'this' reveals that Mair is a dedicated, long-term, far-right...
  10. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Tom
  11. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I don't think so. It's a matter of public record and Labour, indeed all decent people, should have no truck with those who support the genocide of the Palestinian people at the hands of the Jewish state, Israel.
  12. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Malta is another example - no natural resources but a member state of the EU. I think that's great! Tom
  13. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    While I have no idea how old the various contributors to this thread are, I think it's worth mentioning that the last Labour government left office in 1979. Some seem more than ready to condemn the Labour party for various shameful matters that occurred between 1997 and 2010 but there is a...
  14. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    It's getting closer and I haven't even placed a bet. I'm reluctant having seen many of my recent flutters on the UEFA matches go down the pan. My feeling is that the 'Remain' camp will probably win the day but I still think the support for the fascist gang could nick it in which case, I may...
  15. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    This thread had run its course a long time ago as some have noticed. All the major points seem to have been covered repeatedly and both logical and lexical semantics are there by the bucketload for all to see. The nonsense of a bunch of amateurs spouting numbers and percentages as if to...
  16. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Delightfully put 'Oldgroaner' and a joy to read! My dearest hope is that good old common sense prevails on Thursday. Tom
  17. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Dear oh dear, a tantrum! Tom
  18. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    You have amazing tolerance 'oldgroaner'. I really despair at times when I read some of the ridiculous views held by some contributors here. Clearly, our education system has failed and while care in the community may save on the costs of mental health care in special hospitals, there is a...
  19. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    By Friday morning we shall almost certainly know the result of the referendum so I think it's important that all EAPC riders recognise just how beneficial the EU has been for those of us who require some electrical assistance. Is there anyone among us who would wish to return to our own...
  20. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I have heard this phrase mentioned so often and I don't understand why people mention it, especially as if to suggest it's a bad thing. The reality, as I think you recognise Flecc, is that the EU is already a de facto federal entity right now, so the stupidity of using the phrase as part of the...