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  1. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    The man is a democrat and he is honest. Therefore he accepts the will of the majority - that's what is meant. Tom
  2. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I note there was some disagreement with my view expressed in the BBC thread, some believing the BBC is an organisation populated by left-wing loonies...I think that was the expression...or similar. Obviously, I realise that for some people, there is nothing will change their mind about...
  3. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Tom
  4. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I'm sure there is an element of that in it flecc and I suspect if we formally instigate our exit intention through Article 50, the future for travellers heading to the French and possibly the other easily accessible ports may be quite unpleasant. The surprise for me is that so many wish to...
  5. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I find the situation facing those trying to cross the English channel in vehicles absolutely disgraceful but some of the comments published by the government news provider are extraordinary. For example: 'Kent Police said it would "proactively" manage traffic to ease congestion.' Really! How...
  6. oldtom

    BBC - Blatant Bullshine Company......?

    The acronym, BBC, has been around all my life and once upon a time it was deemed to be a fair and impartial broadcaster of news while its other departments provided us with sport, music and entertainment. That was a long, long time ago. Nowadays, with its compulsory licence fee income, its...
  7. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I'm bound to say Trex, I agree with every word of that. There may be many hiccups but mainland Europe countries fully committed to the Union have invested too much to let it all just fritter away. Undoubtedly, Germany as a prime example, could still enjoy a nice, mutually profitable trade...
  8. oldtom

    Captain Eric Brown

    Although Captain Brown's death was marked in February, the Fleet Air Arm have finally got round to honouring him with a memorial flying display. Here is the link: http://forces.tv/00946808 Tom
  9. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Although I responded previously Trex to your sage remark in quotes, I have just read this from the BBC News website. It seems, not content with promoting a rabid lunatic for President, some Americans might be prepared to vote a former KKK leader into the Senate. The recent killings of several...
  10. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I just saw the article about how the EU issue may impact on Ireland and it's a real problem for the politicians on both sides of the divide. Here's a link to the BBC report: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-36867886 Tom
  11. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I think a lot of people feel that way already Flecc!:confused: Tom
  12. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    There is so much smoke and mirrors around the whole EU issue and the state of the economy at the moment, it's difficult to get a handle on what is really happening on a daily basis. We know just by looking in the Post Office or travel agents' windows that our currency is diminished in value...
  13. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Trex, I don't quite agree with all you said but I most certainly do agree with the part in quotes. In my view however, it beggars belief that so many people failed to notice that the 'Brexit' camp was led by fascists with a major agenda promise to slash immigration plus a host of promises which...
  14. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Flud, have you never heard the expression, 'When you're in a hole and you would like to extricate yourself, stop digging!'? Tom
  15. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    OG, you have just put into words exactly my thoughts after reading Flud's post @ #3011 so I shan't add to the man's, (making an assumption as he tends to do), misery. I have read and re-read what I posted and cannot for the life of me even begin to imagine how Flud could interpret my words in...
  16. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    While my inclination is to disbelieve everything that comes from the BBC News Centre, the major tory party propaganda organ, this article from their webpages today may have some truth in it. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36853952 My preferences for impartial news delivery these days...
  17. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Just saw this from the late American stand-up comic, George Carlin, and it echoes my feelings about national identity and all the xenophobia and jingoism that has been the common bond among the anti-EU brigade in the absence of any intelligent argument from them. Please ignore the couple of...
  18. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Just a quick post to acknowledge that OG scored post number 3000 in this thread - to be fair, I think he posted most of those anyway! OG has shown a lot of insight and intelligence about the subject matter and I really can't disagree with his view of things. For the tory PM to not immediately...
  19. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Closing in on 3,000 posts and my take on 'Brexit' has simply been reinforced. Leaving the EU would be an act of gross stupidity on every front though most particularly, sheer economics. Because those who populate both chambers of parliament understand that, I actually believe that 'Brexit'...
  20. oldtom

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    As a fan of democracy, flawed though it may be, I believe we should have formally implemented the Article 50 measure by now. Until we do, the current uncertainty will continue and government, business and consumers both here and abroad will bury their heads in the sand and simply fail to focus...