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  1. Woosh

    Has anyone heard of or tried Toseven mid drive?

    alexfnoble said: But dependable and cheap rarely go hand in hand. I paid $25 more for my BBS01B 48V 15A compared to my TSDZ2 48V 15A with throttle but over the years, support incidents are extremely rare. So from that point of view, the BBS01B 48V 15A is dependable and cheap. It is my...
  2. Woosh

    Has anyone heard of or tried Toseven mid drive?

    I even PMed toseven's KatLee asking for commercial information and received no answer. This is very unusual in Chinese business dealings. You can see why I am skeptical about release date and specs. Personally, I post announcements of any of new product only when the container has left Ningbo.
  3. Woosh

    Has anyone heard of or tried Toseven mid drive?

    All the issues we discuss are general interest: what it is, how well it does what it is supposed to do, how much will it cost, how does it compare against nearest competitors, can it use OSF firmware, how well some of the known issues with the TSDZ2 sorted? How easy is it to service? I do have a...
  4. Woosh

    Has anyone heard of or tried Toseven mid drive?

    I came across the list of things that toseven proposed to do to beat the Tongsheng TSDZ2. I appreciate the comment but the fact is if you don't join Discord, you can't access the posts. Here you can. I asked Alex if he wants me to repost it. He said yes. I
  5. Woosh

    Has anyone heard of or tried Toseven mid drive?

    Alex, I am not the kind of guy who would rush to sell something new. The last time I did so was with the Bewo kit for the pedelecs show in Redbrige, 2013. I rushed it out and sold my first crank drive bike for £799. I still service them but I would not do so again. I would certainly buy a...
  6. Woosh

    Has anyone heard of or tried Toseven mid drive?

    that's where the bulk of kits go. Hub drives and BBS01
  7. Woosh

    Has anyone heard of or tried Toseven mid drive?

    neither your DM-01 and DM-02 ideally suit bike manufacturers though. If I wanted a CD drive, I would choose frame mount instead of bottom bracket mount. I was thinking of using the TSDZ3 some time ago because the price was very good. At the time, I paid nearly double for the Bafang Maxdrive but...
  8. Woosh

    Has anyone heard of or tried Toseven mid drive?

    How hard is it for the sales manager to call someone up at the factory and ask to whatapps a few pictures? If the thing is ready for sale, then why should it matter to release the pics a few days before they ship? I buy from China, Taiwan and Singapore for 50 years or so, I always found the...
  9. Woosh

    Has anyone heard of or tried Toseven mid drive?

    I would have, but Alex is their sales manager. I would have to deal with him.
  10. Woosh

    Has anyone heard of or tried Toseven mid drive?

    I have been interested in what to7 do since the start of the thread, so I am not hostile to what they do. However, I ran into a spat with their rep, AlexfNoble, in this thread. I did make some commercial enquiries about their products, not directly with alexfnoble@toseven because I dread having...
  11. Woosh

    Has anyone heard of or tried Toseven mid drive?

    There is a post with copy and paste quick review of the 750W DM-01 on this link: https://endless-sphere.com/sphere/threads/anyone-know-about-tried-toseven-mid-drive.119395/page-3#post-1757385 It does not look like the products are ready for sale yet.
  12. Woosh

    I am looking for a partner to produce an add-on torque sensor for the BBS01

    I have an idea for an add-on torque sensor for the BBS01 but being half retired, I don't want to do all the work. Is there anyone interested in developing this project with me? The work involves prototyping and travelling to China. If it's you, expect no pay until the project works out. I cover...
  13. Woosh

    Has anyone heard of or tried Toseven mid drive?

    I used the Bafang MaxDrive in my Woosh Rambla. I know the MaxDrive better than the TSDZ2 because I repaired a few. Jim here repairs the TSDZ2. I am also going to sell a new TS kit this summer based on a cousin of the bafang bottom bracket torque sensor. Recently, I was looking into how one can...
  14. Woosh

    Has anyone heard of or tried Toseven mid drive?

    I have sold 3 torque sensor kits for hub motors, the TSDZ2 and Bafang torque sensor. All use different principles. The Bafang is best, so it seems natural to me that if someone redesigns the torque sensor for the TSDZ2, they should make one that is as good as the Bafang or its cousins. I...
  15. Woosh

    Has anyone heard of or tried Toseven mid drive?

    you've got me there. I did see my silly mistake and edited it out 2mn before you replied. Of course if you redesign your torque sensor, you need benchmarks.
  16. Woosh

    Has anyone heard of or tried Toseven mid drive?

    You could put together such products without much difficulty. They are also simple off the shelf products that have best track record of reliability.
  17. Woosh

    Has anyone heard of or tried Toseven mid drive?

    not quite though. Your motors are not shipping and you forgot to mention Aikema. As I said before, if you are successful, Bafang will react. Even small firms like Bewo can add a torque sensor to their kits. I have had their kits for years, I know how to do it and it's really dead easy. The...
  18. Woosh

    Has anyone heard of or tried Toseven mid drive?

    may be because Tongsheng has never been a threat to their market share. As saneagle said, most people just want a dependable kit and for as little money as possible. What kind of percentage do you think that the TS bottom bracket motors represent in the conversion market? whatever it is, it...
  19. Woosh

    How to find a trustworthy bike shop if…

    I learned a lot from the thread that guerney linked to. Never again. It's better to say no to a bad solution right from the start. I always make sure that the success of our customers is our success. I always make sure we know that the kit we propose is going to suit the customer and the donor...
  20. Woosh

    Has anyone heard of or tried Toseven mid drive?

    the king of the DIY install in a standard bottom bracket market is still very much Bafang BBSes. If someone started to cut into their market share, I am pretty sure they will release their TS versions.