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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    They Don't vote conservative!,so the question is moot. When the inevitable British General Election arrives they will have an opportunity to vote Conservative. If a Conservative type supporter votes for a Conservative endorsed candidate for the EU election, they are voting remain. What is...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    It IS the logical consequence of making a BREXIT party to contest EU specific elections. The people who vote in this are selecting people to represent them in EUROPE. They are not actually selecting Tory or Labour candidates. They are selecting candidates endorsed by Tory or Labour parties...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    You cannot have it both ways. There is Brexit party,and as your collaborator says, the name says it all. Agreed there are people who always vote one way or another and are not open to reasonable debate or manifesto.. Just as as fraction of those 17 million were going to vote against ANY...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    A manifesto is a wishlist.. a letter to Santa. Ideally it should denote the general position that the party will take,provided they achieve the mandate to so do. If when they achieve power, it would be reasonable to expect them to honour it, and to EXPLAIN to the electorate if and why...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Not exactly correct.. The LibDems have stated unambiguously where they stand,and similarly so have the other minor parties. Now people might vote for SBP and Greens for reasons unrelated to Brexit. .. But then so did a fraction of that 17 million. It is reasonable to conclude that Any vote for...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    So starving, lack of car parts, criminals running riot, no laws governing interchange of information,money, transport insurance is all part of your strategy?. I would not accept such an answer from a 12 year old!. Are you sure you are allowed out?.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Fine.. Then what ?. What relationships would you want at the end of week 1, week 2 month 1 month 2. Do you want any UK citizen to be able to travel to Europe, ..including Ireland?, Do you want to import food, drink, car parts, exchange information , ? Chase criminals, ? Get medical...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I am in general agreement here with you. The problem regarding Brexit is that the major parties did not actually do their sums properly and even more importantly had not devised coherent strategies as to what would constitute a Brexit. Once the dust had settled on the GE and they had time to...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    The remain petition stopped getting new names after it had generated a debate in the HoC. The function of those petitions is to get ideas and positions onto the floor of the HoC,..so in that regard it was a success. Read the notes pertaining to the petition process. The plausible result of a...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Then please define in clear unambiguous terms what a SATISFACTORY conclusion to Brexit would be. Bearing in mind that it must be couched in UK terms and wherever you invoke third parties, e.g the EU, what concessions you are prepared to make in order to appease them.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    The Government which made those promises is long gone. The PM who made those promises left office, and anyway they were not his promises to make.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    And 15M disagreed with that assessment. Admit it you bought a "a pig in a poke", without any due diligence, without any consideration of the consequences, in many cases as an angry protest vote against the establishment. When the elected politicians eventually began to see the light, they have...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    No but floating in the aether at the time was that any number of "deals " would be sorted out in seconds. This was of course to make the unknowable patable to the uninformed.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    You are correct, but since Brexit has not been properly defined,and is a movable feast, it is impossible to know when you have it.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Huh!. At no stage has the EU" Kicked you out". All the action has been the UKs and all the reactions the EU . The legal position is that the UK has requested an extension from the EU until October. The EU has acceded to that request. Unless the UK requests another extension, the EU has no...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Funny you should say that but excluding politicians ,who support unconditional Brexit.. who tend to be very ernest, young, well dressed in cheap undertaker type suits ,.. (Anne Widdecome, obviously excluded), the people who are very vocal on the tv news vox pops tend to be exactly that...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Even if a member of the European Parliament did say that... he is not the EU. .. But more pertinently , is this not the attitude that your UK press has expressed to both any of the institutions of the EU, its own UK officials ,judiciary politicians from opposing views
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I can agree with your theory, but it is becoming impracticable.. Like others I value my independence,but I am prepared to compromise when it is in my financial interest. I used to travel by car to Dublin ..Round trip 110 miles, and tolls 6 euro. Now As I have an OAP travel pass, I forgo...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    and why would I wish to do you a favour?