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You can't be that old, the first commercial ones were in 1922! :D That lecture is inappropriate, my widely appreciated humour litters these web pages over the entire 14 years of this forum. My reply in the first part above illustrates that. And I've even use it as a witness in courts...

Before the referendum. After the referendum. .

I did use Google but picked up Wikipedia from there, and it wasn't important enough to research for more. Acronyms have too many meanings, I remember my flecc having over 20 meanings. .

Once again it's a joke to you. Many come in here to find out the truth about pedelec law, so I treat the subject seriously, factually not passionately. Apologies for that error, but murky happened to be more aposite than muddy in respect of reading a law. That's another way of saying you...

Of course they are legal. They were legal when supplied and there is never any retrospective regulation. Once legal, always legal in this respect. As an ex copper you'll know that those with car driving licence from before 1st February 2001 could ride a moped without another test or CBT...

The law was recently updated, but not in the way you want, nor is it ever likely to be. That's because pedelecs have to be safe for anyone and everyone untested for safety. If you want more you can have it now. There's pedelecs with a legal full throttle from one supplier. There's the L1e-A...

I know you did and I didn't say it was a quote. But by posting safely instead of my safety you changed the meaning. Safety policy is an intention, safely is an absolute, and I wasn't speaking of absolute safety, just the relative safety of the fitter rider over the many others who are unfit...

None of us is suggesting that should be done all the time, on this occasion there was a reasonable suspicion as it was a kit bike. I'm willing to bet you that a high proportion of kit built bikes are illegal in one or more ways. You will remember when traffic wardens wandered around peering...

Not so, you were the one who twisted the words when you changed my safety into safely, remember? The laws on pedelecs are actually quite simple to know and understand. They are constantly made unnecessarily difficult by riders and suppliers wishing to distort them into something to suit...

Of course you thought it was a joke, this what you posted: Racing bikes. Safely limited by the rider's ability to pedal fast. lol! :D .

Yes, they are supposed to be tested by a visual check. Here's what the law says about how a legal pedelec is marked: “(a) it is— (i) fitted with a plate securely fixed in a conspicuous and readily accessible position showing— (a) the name of the manufacturer of the vehicle...

And what about the voltage limit? And the power limit? .

I posted safety limited, not safely limited. The words used do have importance. You know say they say about sarcasm. There's far more about this subject than the superficial, it needs thought. The reason we have pedelec restriction on assist speed and power is because almost anyone can get...

That is not the law though Neal, that is only an interpretation of what the DfT says about twist and go, and an incorrect one at that. This is the law in this respect: 1) Only an e-bike which is exempted from type approval by the type approval regulations exemption sub section (h) from being...

That's really OTT, you would not be losing your liberty, even with confiscation, being free to go wherever and whenever you wanted, even on another e-bike. You're maintaining that it's better to lose your bike for several days or even weeks, rather than for two or minutes. That is just weird...

I'm happy for TR to be on Facebook or any social media, but I haven't got a clue what MSM is. Wikipedia's 26 suggestions don't help, including such as: Maastricht School of Management Manhattan School of Music Militant Socialist Movement Men who have sex with men Mechanically separated...

I'm not surprised he wasn't fooled, many of our forces arevery familiar with e-bikes, having had them on trial or in some cases bought numbers of them. It was probably his knowledge that prompted him to try the bike. So what if it was set for higher speed, he'd easily detect well over 15 mph...

Actually the facts are not known, it was a guess early in the thread that it was about speed. The officer was perhaps more likely to think it could be over powered since it looked like a kit setup, so there were visible signs for suspicion. Presumption of innocence is only for the courts, it...

Not true in any way, Tusk is not anti English, though definitely opposed to Brexit of course. Your assessment of Scotland's economy is obviously the biased and incorrect view that Scotland's offshore oil belongs to England. It doesn't, it will belong to Scotland in international law if they...

That's short term again, I was speaking of the future beyond Trump etc. Nothing is going to change with brexit immediately, no need to since it's going to be a sham exit anyway. .