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  1. flecc

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    That's a short term view, looking only at the present. The worlds best rail systems are state owned, and most countries regard their railways as an essential which will always tend to lose money. It was our failures to realise these that lead to the disgraceful rail system that we have now...
  2. flecc

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    You are clearly totally wrong. It was Europe's coalition style politicians who created the European Coal and Steel Community. Then developed it into the European Economic Community, them developed that into the EU. All huge, far reaching, complex decisions reached by co-operation. That could...
  3. flecc

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    You don't know that. If we'd always had PR and many past coalitions there wouldn't have only been binary choices. And we would have had different kinds of leaders, more skilled at working together in coalitions than the likes of Cameron, Johnson and Corbyn. They do work well together in...
  4. flecc

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Come on Zlatan, you aren't so thick that you can't read. How many times must I post there wouldn't have been a "this time" if we'd long been in PR? With all past circumstances changed there probably wouldn't have been a referendum on EU membership, nor even a Johnson or Corbyn leading parties...
  5. flecc

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    You're quoting Boris Johnson, but he's not saying what will really happen, which is this: Leave and Remain are from 31/1/2019 replaced with Remain and Rejoin. The Leavers of old will now be the Remainers, for staying UK alone. The Remainers of old will now be the Rejoiners, for returning to...
  6. flecc

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    No, because there wouldn't have been a "this time" if we'd always had PR. Nor would there have been Brexit. All circumstances would have been changed. As Danidl has posted, with PR we would for a long time been working with other parties in co-operation, combining strengths to do the best for...
  7. flecc

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    As I've posted more than once, I only wanted Corbyn in for one term, also remarking that was all he would get anyway. I wanted that to get the minimal re-nationalisation of some essentials like rail and water where privatisation had done great and lasting harm. Only a committed socialist like...
  8. flecc

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Agreed, even the American unions often have a more constructive approach. We do seem to have an uncanny knack of getting so many things wrong here in Britain. .
  9. flecc

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I agree with you that our unions are completely useless. But that has nothing to do with Corbyn or current Labour or Blair and his Labour version. The unions had lost their way and became useless over 50 years ago. Despite my left wing inclinations I effectively shut down any chance of the...
  10. flecc

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    No, not a racist, a bigot. By starting with yes in my reply, I agreed with you that it wasn't ok for Labour either, but your bigotry is so extreme that you couldn't cope with my agreement so still insulted. .
  11. flecc

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Well here we are at the fourth Brexit Christmas, so in the spirit of the season and the times, I wish you all ******** A Merry Brexmas ********* ************* and a *************** ******** Happy New Deal ******** .
  12. flecc

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Yes, but never remotely comparing to the Tories large scale use of this abuse. They even had a fairly recent prime minister from the House of Lords who wasn't elected, Sir Alec Douglas Home. .
  13. flecc

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    The Tory corruption has started. Their multi millionaire candidate Zac Goldsmith failed to get elected, but undeterred, Boris Johnson has promoted him to the House of Lords and he will still be in the government cabinet as an environment and development minister. It comes as Nicky Morgan was...
  14. flecc

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Nonsense. I merely pointed out your inconsistency in criticising current Labour's use of wealthy barristers while extolling the virtues of their using another of their wealthy barristers. It was the media echo chamber again. .
  15. flecc

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Disagree about this and your incorrect view of right support in the EU countries. The right never get beyond a third of support anywhere in Europe now, thanks to the bogey of the nazis, and most of the time it's very much less. Even before WW2 when many in the establishment here favoured the...
  16. flecc

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Tony Blair is their most prominent wealthy posh barrister, as is his wife, yet you lot think Blair is the answer for Labour. You really are inconsistent, the media leading you by the nose. .
  17. flecc

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    We've had one for decades, currently named the LibDems. They are the centre party, so why aren't all of you voting for them when you all say that's the answer? Please don't use the excuse that they don't have the right people. If you all voted for them you'd have hundreds to choose from to...
  18. flecc

    BREXIT the silver lining or lead cosh?

    They'll be far too busy for years on the trade agreements to bother with such minor matters and in any case, the DfT have always used grandfather rights for things that were previously legal. Just look at the way car drivers who passed their car test before 1st February 2001 can ride 50cc...
  19. flecc

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I've already mentioned how in my constituency we swung a long standing marginal into a big 6000 plus majority for Labour in 2017, despite the candidate, Sarah Jones being new and untried. In this 2019 election we returned her to power with an even bigger majority over the Tory candidate...
  20. flecc

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    There is no point if it's only to duplicate what is already available, as Blair did. There was precious little difference between his Tory light and that of most of our post war Tory governments. Even Thatcher didnt introduce anything as extreme as PFI. The point of politics for Labour is to...