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You are in Jonathan, riding on the A 1123 Map Link .

You are in now Andy, riding on Halliwell Road: Map Link .

At £210 you should easily get it's worth from it, and maybe gain on the genuine article. .

Possibly, but of course we are in a state of flux at the moment. The current type approval regulations only hold until 31st December 2016, then from 1st January 2017 new regulations will be in force EU wide, including the UK. The major differences seem to be the EU incorporating many of the...

I get all this since I am in the real world, but when it's posted in here, not in a motorcycle shop, that the Stromer is an e-bike, all the newbies who enter here asking for an e-bike that will carry them at 25 mph can be misled that's the norm. What I don't understand is why you and others get...

But apparently that's not easy for the UK for most current S class e-bikes. .

Sorry, but this shows you are not understanding Trex. L1e-A is for an ebike up to 1000 watts but restricted to 25 kph (15.5 mph) formerly the Low Powered Moped class, not for any S class e-bike. In the UK as I've posted umpteen times, that requires L1e-B, full moped classification for type...

Yes, that is the usage difference, and the need for a driving licence in the UK. Remember anyone passing a car test over the last 14 years won't be qualified, so that's large numbers needing to have L plates. That should be fun, trying to fit L plates on front and rear of a bike as well as a...

The certificate of conformity with S class bikes isn't a moped one though. That's how 50cycles came unstuck, thinking it would allow registration in the UK of their S class Kalkhoffs. That is why there is do much aggro in here on this subject, it's about people being misled with false...

It has to be type approved to be registered in the UK, and that means some specific requirements that many S class e-bikes don't meet. .

That's what the supplier would have us believe it seems, but of course that is false. Would anyone want to pedal a bike wearing a motorcycle helmet? Would they be prepared to leave this £3.6K bike in a motorcycle parking bay not locked to anything, since pavement parking in a bike stand would...

Yes, it is a full moped in the UK, falling into the L1e-B class of motor vehicle, just like all the 50 cc petrol mopeds that are on the roads. We do not have the S class in the UK, so the next step from pedelec is a moped. That means registration and number plate, free VED (road tax)...

Thanks for the response and photos d8veh, I'd already seen the Stromer so knew it was a nice machine and basically an S class e-bike. But in the UK it has all the disadvantages I mentioned and anyone pretending it was a ordinary e-bike would soon come unstuck. Traffic officers are hot on...

I'm certainly not against StalkingCat doing this Trex, I just struggle to see the purpose.Why would anyone want to add around 5% or less power by pedalling an up to 60 mph machine with a weight of around 70 kilos as he's quoted? And can you honestly think type approval isn't onerous for such a...

I see two very large misunderstandings here Tony. Having safety law set at the lowest common denominator isn't particularly an EU practice, it's the necessary norm worldwide and has long been so. The reason is obvious, if set higher, then all those who don't meet that standard are free to...

Each to his own and I wouldn't want to stop you. However, I see no commercial future in that ratio of powers, 4 kW motor to 0.2 kW human addition, 95% to 5%. The human addition will be almost imperceptible in performance or consumption. .

I agree, but Stalking Cat is ruling out the petrol part and speaking of a human electric hybrid with power ratios that make no sense. As for two wheel hybrids, Honda and Yamaha are already well advanced in developing these, link here .

I think what we are struggling with is the concept of a 10 kW assisted bicycle. As Old Tom said, what is the point, circa 2% drive from the cyclist and 98% from the e-drive seems to lack any logic. .

You have to be kidding of course, internal combustion engines will still be providing personal transport for people in 50 years and more. There'll be more hybrids and public transport will extend its scope, but batteries will still prevent e-vehicles taking over completely. Just as your...

As you see I was careful to say "could lose", and gave a worst case situation with some cheap batteries. That is far from the case with the best high end batteries, which if cared for suffer very small loss over two years. In addition a few batteries like the Panasonic ones for their crank...