6v Lighting?

MontyPAS

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Building up another bike this time using a TSDZ2 instead of my usual BBS02.
Thinking of using the switched lighting lead provided via the controller, its a 750w 48v unit!

Measured the switched output at 6.6v, would not think this at a very high current.

Question any suitable lighting you have used or can recommend to use with the darker nights coming. Or could maybe modify to suit?IMG_20200907_132847.jpg

Saracen 1990s Killi Racer with TSDZ2 750/48v.
 

peter.c

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Spent the weekend with the lights and a tsdz2:confused:very low current under 3watts dim to useless :eek:needs a relay and 48v lights with direct wires to the battery hard to make look tidy
 

MontyPAS

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Spent the weekend with the lights and a tsdz2:confused:very low current under 3watts dim to useless :eek:needs a relay and 48v lights with direct wires to the battery hard to make look tidy
Thanks for the reply Peter, thought it would be pitiful at 6v.
For now, think I will use the 6v output for some sort of modified LED rear light and use a rechargeable unit on the front...??

Alternatively if I can find a small enough relay to hide on the frame, may look into using the LiOn bike battery and a high power lighting system.
 

MontyPAS

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Forgot the relay needed a diode across the coil
That takes me back, having to wire 1n4007's to the backs of 100's of relay bases when I was an apprentice.....
 

Peddlin' Pedro

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I'd like to try doing this on my 48V 750W TSDZ2 with a 48V 17.5Ah Hairon pack. I'll confess that I'm in no way experienced with electronics though. I can wire a plug, drive a soldering iron and even use a multimeter without blowing myself across the room, but probably know just enough to get into trouble.

I'd be very grateful for advice on a few specific points shown in the attached attempt at a circuit diagram (try and laugh quietly if you could):

1. The existing fuse installed in the battery mounting is marked only as '34V', with no amperage shown. This despite it being a 48V pack. Is that normal?

2. I understand that a diode is needed across the coil on the relay to avoid spikes damaging nearby components, but what spec should this be?

3. Where should I fuse the separate circuit that I spur off the battery connectors, and to what spec?

4. What relay would be best for this application? Solid-state or mechanical? Latching or non-latching?

You'd never guess I was out of my depth would you. Thanks!
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MontyPAS

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Seems overly complicated. Why not:

LIGHTS----- SWITCH----- FUSE----- 48v BATTERY

TBH I have been very disappointed with the TSDZ2, undue stress on the pitiful firmware/controller could be the final nail, so to speak.

For an uncluttered look, no wiring and using rechargeable lights?
 

Peddlin' Pedro

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Seems overly complicated. Why not:

LIGHTS----- SWITCH----- FUSE----- 48v BATTERY

TBH I have been very disappointed with the TSDZ2, undue stress on the pitiful firmware/controller could be the final nail, so to speak.

For an uncluttered look, no wiring and using rechargeable lights?
Been quite impressed with ours, and as a keen cyclist it's a much better ride experience than the Bafang alternative. We're coming up for 500 miles and it's doing well pushing a heavy long-tail cargo bike around and over some decent sized hills. From reading around it seems most performance issues (not that I've noticed any beyond the cadence limitation and occasional hunting) can be resolved with the open firmware, which is next on the list after the lights. As for failure items (blue gear, sprag clutch, etc.) these are relatively affordable and easily replaced.

Our bike is a daily runabout and spends a fair amount of time outside schools, shops, friends houses etc. so having to take lights on and off the bike at each stop is a pain in the bum and misses an opportunity to run them from that nice big 48v power supply. If left on the bike then at some point they'll get swiped by some opportunistic scrote. A lot of my riding is also on unlit roads and country lanes so something with some grunt and a decent beam pattern is needed. Nothing against rechargeable self-contained units (got Exposure and See.Sense units I use for fun riding) but this is a very different use-case.
 
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MontyPAS

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Been quite impressed with ours, and as a keen cyclist it's a much better ride experience than the Bafang alternative. We're coming up for 500 miles and it's doing well pushing a heavy long-tail cargo bike around and over some decent sized hills. From reading around it seems most performance issues (not that I've noticed any beyond the cadence limitation and occasional hunting) can be resolved with the open firmware, which is next on the list after the lights. As for failure items (blue gear, sprag clutch, etc.) these are relatively affordable and easily replaced.

Our bike is a daily runabout and spends a fair amount of time outside schools, shops, friends houses etc. so having to take lights on and off the bike at each stop is a pain in the bum and misses an opportunity to run them from that nice big 48v power supply. If left on the bike then at some point they'll get swiped by opportunistic scrote.
Mine has been unreliable out of the box, unlike my three BBS02 builds which are rock solid.
As you say things are better with OS firmware, unfortunately I'm not willing to brick the controller messing about with the unknown. Looking on Endless Sphere, even the OSF is not without issues?

Must admit I like the torque sensing, but the TS is just too unreliable and poorly made for my liking (maybe its just my unit?).

Issues with mine after less than 250 kilometres.

Display alters assist level by itself. One minute going along nicely in say level 3, next thinking this is hard work, look at display and it is on level 1?
My fully charged Jumbo Shark 48V 14.3Ah gives 54v. The TS will not start at that voltage, so have to put it on another bike with a Bafang to burn off some volts before using on the TS! That is pants!
The crank bearings have developed about a 1mm play in them. After this amount of mileage, that is poor and does nothing to inspire longevity.

I will not buy another!
 

Peddlin' Pedro

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Mine has been unreliable out of the box, unlike my three BBS02 builds which are rock solid.
As you say things are better with OS firmware, unfortunately I'm not willing to brick the controller messing about with the unknown. Looking on Endless Sphere, even the OSF is not without issues?

Must admit I like the torque sensing, but the TS is just too unreliable and poorly made for my liking (maybe its just my unit?).

Issues with mine after less than 250 kilometres.

Display alters assist level by itself. One minute going along nicely in say level 3, next thinking this is hard work, look at display and it is on level 1?
My fully charged Jumbo Shark 48V 14.3Ah gives 54v. The TS will not start at that voltage, so have to put it on another bike with a Bafang to burn off some volts before using on the TS! That is pants!
The crank bearings have developed about a 1mm play in them. After this amount of mileage, that is poor and does nothing to inspire longevity.

I will not buy another!
That's fair enough, and I won't argue about quality as I've found some elements to be pretty mickey mouse too, the cranks being a good example, along with some play at the spindle but that disappears on ours when actually pedalling. Thankfully not had any electrical issues, yet. Have you tried asking the seller for another remote to see if that's causing the mode switching?
 

MontyPAS

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Have you tried asking the seller for another remote to see if that's causing the mode switching?
Unfortunately I bought the kit from a private individual at a very good price, everything was in sealed boxes, but always a risk if something fails. I was going to buy another display unit, but TBH I don't think this TS is going to last long!:eek: