Brexit, for once some facts.

[Danidl]

Its the modern way since Bannon realised the massive loophole in the states.

Cummins is just following along.

That is undoubtedly true,and illustrates the problem of not having a legal system independent of government and non partisan. It also requires a constitution which is capable of being amended. The problems in the USA are stemming from these reasons. The problem in the UK might be that it has no Constitution... Just a set of frumpy conventions. Which are now being flaunted.
I could see the UK Supreme Court agreeing that the prorogration was illegal because it was not a decision of parliament,..that would not be a party political stance, as it would be again reaffirming the supremacy of Parliament,not the Executive.

 

[oldgroaner]

what a bunch of idiots we send into battle with an advanced robotic machine.

And a dumb drone at that

 

[Fingers]

That is undoubtedly true,and illustrates the problem of not having a legal system independent of government and non partisan. It also requires a constitution which is capable of being amended. The problems in the USA are stemming from these reasons. The problem in the UK might be that it has no Constitution... Just a set of frumpy conventions. Which are now being flaunted.
I could see the UK Supreme Court agreeing that the prorogration was illegal because it was not a decision of parliament,..that would not be a party political stance, as it would be again reaffirming the supremacy of Parliament,not the Executive.

The problem in the states is that the 3 pillars can subverted if you get your man into the judiciary. Law is subjective in many ways.

Once your man/woman is in they can do what they want.

It is different over here as the law is to all intents and purposes above everyone. But that is being tested.

 

[jonathan.agnew]

The problem in the states is that the 3 pillars can subverted if you get your man into the judiciary. Law is subjective in many ways.

Once your man/woman is in they can do what they want.

It is different over here as the law is to all intents and purposes above everyone. But that is being tested.

Clearly not a Peter Cooke ("biased judge" sketch) fan

 

[oldgroaner]

The only man who can make himself look sillier than Boris
Penfold AKA Mark Francois

This was Mark Francois Friday night in Rayleigh. Walking around town and in and out of pubs, dressed as a Police Officer and wearing a stab vest.

https://twitter.com/SophieRose19x/status/1173966659788398593/photo/1

 

[oldgroaner]

Boris has extended his "Invisible Man" device to cloak his loyal Press!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1174290785254199296

 

[Fingers]

Clearly not a Peter Cooke ("biased judge" sketch) fan

I'd say I am a bigger fan you.

At least I know how to spell his name....

 

[Fingers]

Boris has extended his "Invisible Man" device to cloak his loyal Press!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1174290785254199296

He will have to do a May type stealth, duck and avoid election campaign.

What a twat.

 

[Fingers]

 

[oldgroaner]

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That was good and original my boy
But the parts that were good weren't original
And the parts that were original weren't good

Mind you , you have made a couple of on topic posts.........
Is this a parody on Boris and Rasputin Cummings?

 

[oyster]

Independent says:

Dominic Cummings has been handed a new formal power to sack cabinet ministers' advisers, triggering a protest from the head of the civil service union.

New contracts of employment make clear that Boris Johnson’s controversial chief aide now has ultimate “responsibility for disciplinary matters”, rather than individual ministers.

The move follows the furore over the dismissal of Sonia Khan, an aide to the chancellor Sajid Javid, who was frogmarched out of Downing Street by an armed police officer last month.

Mr Cummings claimed said she had misled him over her contact with Philip Hammond, her former boss, but Ms Khan denied any wrongdoing – while Mr Javid was not even consulted.

Dave Penman, the general secretary of the FDA trade union for senior civil servants, said ministers were “allowing their authority to be undermined and publicly”.

 

[oldgroaner]

A little more on the Hospital Press stunt that went wrong

Sir Lefty Farr-Wright

@SupportOurLefty
· 7h
@GuyVerhoftwat The hated Johnson is finished again. Our Totally Impartial Daily Politics programme has just shown him meeting a totally impartial Labour activist in a London hospital, who's told him that the Tories have totally destroyed Our NHS, which is the envy of the world.

And my response
So the rest of the world envies the Tories for totally destroying the NHS? you need a new joke writer.
And Labour activists have children that suffer too
Apparently it's more important to score points than be sympathetic?

 

[oldgroaner]

Independent says:

Dominic Cummings has been handed a new formal power to sack cabinet ministers' advisers, triggering a protest from the head of the civil service union.

New contracts of employment make clear that Boris Johnson’s controversial chief aide now has ultimate “responsibility for disciplinary matters”, rather than individual ministers.

The move follows the furore over the dismissal of Sonia Khan, an aide to the chancellor Sajid Javid, who was frogmarched out of Downing Street by an armed police officer last month.

Mr Cummings claimed said she had misled him over her contact with Philip Hammond, her former boss, but Ms Khan denied any wrongdoing – while Mr Javid was not even consulted.

Dave Penman, the general secretary of the FDA trade union for senior civil servants, said ministers were “allowing their authority to be undermined and publicly”.

Sorry but something has to give here, we are falling into a situation where the clowns in charge will create an out of control reaction.
The Civil Service cannot be under the control of an unelected anarchist.
Cummings is now effectively running the country and Boris reduced to a puppet.
Not just Parliament, but the actual Government itself is now in one man's hands.
There's a word for that

 

[oyster]

Independent says

Sorry but something has to give here, we are falling into a situation where the clowns in charge will create an out of control reaction.
The Civil Service cannot be under the control of an unelected anarchist.
Cummings is now effectively running the country and Boris reduced to a puppet.
Not just Parliament, but the actual Government itself is now in one man's hands.
There's a word for that

I agree.

At the same time, BJ and Sadgit are not getting on. The tory conference could be a barrel of, umm, rotten fish guts.

The rift between Boris Johnson’s team and Sajid Javid is widening, government sources have said, with growing concerns in Whitehall that disagreements are harming the effectiveness of the Downing Street operation.

Two government sources said there was frustration in No 10 and other departments that the chancellor was trying to water down big spending announcements Boris Johnson wants to make at the Conservative party conference.

They said No 10 was becoming increasingly annoyed by what it regarded as Javid’s intransigence, and was sidelining him in favour of Rishi Sunak, the chief secretary to the Treasury, with departments being directed to talk to him rather than the chancellor.

 

[oldgroaner]

harming the effectiveness of the Downing Street operation.

My goodness, is that actually possible?
They have a 100% record of disaster thus far, harming that would constitute a success (sort of)
And "Boris Johnson’s team " seems to have only two members, with Cummings in the smelly end of the pantomime horse

 

[oyster]

My goodness, is that actually possible?
They have a 100% record of disaster thus far, harming that would constitute a success (sort of)

Had just been wondering whether to make almost exactly that comment myself!

 

[Danidl]

Sorry but something has to give here, we are falling into a situation where the clowns in charge will create an out of control reaction.
The Civil Service cannot be under the control of an unelected anarchist.
Cummings is now effectively running the country and Boris reduced to a puppet.
Not just Parliament, but the actual Government itself is now in one man's hands.
There's a word for that

Hang on, the Civil Service operates on the principles of contracts. So what happens when Any person challenges this and demands to see the contract. Now I don't know the status of "advisors" and who pays then, but it must be on the basis of contract law. There is no way he can play that stunt on permanent civil servants, including serving police

 

[oyster]

Hang on, the Civil Service operates on the principles of contracts. So what happens when Any person challenges this and demands to see the contract. Now I don't know the status of "advisors" and who pays then, but it must be on the basis of contract law. There is no way he can play that stunt on permanent civil servants, including serving police

The contractual issues seem to have been ignored. By which I mean, if one of these advisers is told to get lost by DC, they will have to disappear. But the financial and other aspects will be picked up by someone else.

SPAD = Special Adviser

SPAD = A signal is passed at danger (SPAD) when a train passes a stop signal when not allowed to do so.

SPADs are one of the potential precursors to railway accidents. Since the train protection and warning system (TPWS) was introduced serious SPAD incidents and the risk arising from SPADs have been greatly reduced.

Section 3 of the Ministerial Code includes:

3.3 All special advisers must uphold their responsibility to the Government as a whole, not just to their appointing Minister. The responsibility for the management and conduct of special advisers, including discipline, rests with the Minister who made the appointment. Individual Ministers will be accountable to the Prime Minister, Parliament and the public for their actions and decisions in respect of their special advisers. It is, of course, also open to the Prime Minister to terminate employment by withdrawing her consent to an individual appointment.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/826920/August-2019-MINISTERIAL-CODE-FINAL-FORMATTED-2.pdf

Despite having been updated by BJ August 2019.

 

[Danidl]

The contractual issues seem to have been ignored. By which I mean, if one of these advisers is told to get lost by DC, they will have to disappear. But the financial and other aspects will be picked up by someone else.

SPAD = Special Adviser

SPAD = A signal is passed at danger (SPAD) when a train passes a stop signal when not allowed to do so.

SPADs are one of the potential precursors to railway accidents. Since the train protection and warning system (TPWS) was introduced serious SPAD incidents and the risk arising from SPADs have been greatly reduced.

Section 3 of the Ministerial Code includes:

3.3 All special advisers must uphold their responsibility to the Government as a whole, not just to their appointing Minister. The responsibility for the management and conduct of special advisers, including discipline, rests with the Minister who made the appointment. Individual Ministers will be accountable to the Prime Minister, Parliament and the public for their actions and decisions in respect of their special advisers. It is, of course, also open to the Prime Minister to terminate employment by withdrawing her consent to an individual appointment.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/826920/August-2019-MINISTERIAL-CODE-FINAL-FORMATTED-2.pdf

Despite having been updated by BJ August 2019.

On that basis, I would assume that DC is merely yet another special advisor. Why would he have special powers?.

 

[Fingers]

Update to folks that care.

And I guess that’s all of you bar two. ( I’m not including you before you start Gerald )

You are all of an age where your partisan politics means nothing when it means something good to a fellow man.

We got our AIP.

What is amazing. Almost too good to be true is that we may get 1.79% held for 5 years.

And we had two other randoms saying they could beat anything we were offered...I doubt it.

I told them we had, and it’s true, we had that rate at 25 years but if we went with them we could get 23 years....

Imagine that.

It’s almost like you guys had.

I hope we go for Brexit. A lot of young people will see the whole housing market open. Up. And it will help this country move on from its stagnant pool thatcher created.