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Woosh said:
I think the problem is in the expectation gap. We know we need about 70,000 additional fruit pickers in the summer, 100,000 shift workers in the hospitality sectors, 100,000 in the care sector.
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There's another option in the care sector now, exporting the patient. The other day I was listening to a radio item on such as dementia patients sent to care homes in Thailand. For less than the care home cost here they were in top class accommodation, and well looked after one care worker per patient 24 hours a day.

The downside for the relatives was losing face to face contact of course, but since that often has no received value with dementia and given the huge advantages of such care, it's a very good option.

I've a friend with a Thai wife and if those care workers are anything like her, they are absolute gems.
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Zlatan said:
People are rarely attracted to work, in most cases its the pay that does the attracting, the work merely a necessary evil that goes with it. If those 70,000 jobs paid decently there wouldnt be a problem. The problem you point out is simply that employees are underpaying and have an expectation to be able to do so. Bringing in foreign workers is merely finding an underpriviliged group to take advantage of. It should not be allowed, in or out of EU.
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It can't be stopped by laws. The problem isn't the growers underpaying, they have no evil intent to do so and would happily pay double if they could. The problem is us, the end customers who go to the lowest priced supermarkets demanding rock bottom prices.

Either the growers supply them cheaply enough or they lose the business to other countries via imports.
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I struggle to understand what advantages 5G would have over, say, a good local wifi, for electric vehicle production?

I think we'd all imagine any vehicle production being located in one, or a few, physical locations. So not much of an issue setting up wifi at each site. And, with large data volumes, your own wifi is almost certainly cheaper over the longer time frame.

However, if it is effectively the vehicle manufacturer's private 5G system, that might make sense but I don't think that is what most of us think 5G is. (Of course, private and public could operate on the same hardware simultaneously.)
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It would be very hard to compete with WiFi for data transmission at local fixed locations. Indeed even the now obsolete pager technology would be very suitable for controlling suice gates etc. Old 3G networks have the resilience, and the data rates to report on any likely water levels anywhere . I had students building these as projects and some went into business manufacturing them afterwards.
 
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flecc said:
There's another option in the care sector now, exporting the patient. The other day I was listening to a radio item on such as dementia patients sent to care homes in Thailand. For less than the care home cost here they were in top class accommodation, and well looked after one care worker per patient 24 hours a day.

The downside for the relatives was losing face to face contact of course, but since that often has no received value with dementia and given the huge advantages of such care, it's a very good option.

I've a friend with a Thai wife and if those care workers are anything like her, they are absolute gems.
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I shall suggest this option to my wife this afternoon.
If you don't hear from me again look out for me when your time comes,
I shall be the one sitting nearest to the fire. :rolleyes:
 
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Zlatan said:
Ofcourse it has, and thats far worse than Boris is it? You cant have it both ways Agnew. You dont want Tories yet you also dont want a Labour that might get power. No what you want is Corbyn or his radical brand of dead socialism. Thats why we now have most right wing government in history. And we, ll be keeping it.
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So, what are you saying? because we havent voted for a disingenous mainstream populist blair clone we will be punished by having the most unprincipled, thick, racist fukwit in history? Did you by chance have a public school education? Ive encountered this kind of bleak sadomasochist misantrophy among those with histories of bullying and abuse.
There are alternatives to enduring bad governments and feeling trapped between bad alternatives (and god knows weve had our share of that).
 
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jonathan.agnew said:
So, what are you saying? because we havent voted for a disingenous mainstream populist blair clone we will be punished by having the most unprincipled, thick, racist fukwit in history? Did you by chance have a public school education? Ive encountered this kind of bleak sadomasochist misantrophy among those with histories of bullying and abuse.
There are alternatives to enduring bad governments and feeling trapped between bad alternatives (and god knows weve had our share of that).
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What alternative?
We had choice of Boris and co or Corbyn /McCluskey. To be fair to both choices neither side could actually win, it was an unpopularity contest and Labour won hands down. If Tories not losing so convincingly isnt a sign Labour must change I, m not sure what is?
Yes, I totally agree over Blair. He should be charged with war crimes but his (and Campbells) points about current Labour were proved right.
Ofcourse, we can all stick to ideals but as sure as eggs are eggs idealism will never get into no 10. Besides, Corbyn isnt exactly what he portrays is he?
I just dont get your stance. You are arguing for Labour to stay as they are, be controlled by Unite and represent an ideology not supported by bulk of country. They are becoming an irrelevance... Come on Agnew RLB? McCluskey? Abbott?
They must change.
 
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Zlatan said:
Ofcourse, we can all stick to ideals but as sure as eggs are eggs idealism will never get into no 10. Besides, Corbyn isnt exactly what he portrays is he?
I just dont get your stance. You are arguing for Labour to stay as they are,
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They did get into no: 10 in 1945. Their time well come again when the public finally get sick of the Tory ways, but the ideal will only rarely ever get a chance.

You're right it is a contest of losers since the voting public themselves are almost entirely losers, voting for and getting what they deserve, Brexit for example.
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jonathan.agnew said:
So, what are you saying? because we havent voted for a disingenous mainstream populist blair clone we will be punished by having the most unprincipled, thick, racist fukwit in history? Did you by chance have a public school education? Ive encountered this kind of bleak sadomasochist misantrophy among those with histories of bullying and abuse.
There are alternatives to enduring bad governments and feeling trapped between bad alternatives (and god knows weve had our share of that).
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Too many big words
Remember there are some Brexit fans on here
 
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