Brexit, for once some facts.

tommie

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The polls on the EU voting went into reverse two years ago and soon settled consistently at 8% majority in favour of remaining.
Hmmmm rowing back on this one are we, it`s now `The polls`and it`s what `two years ago`
a tad different from your original claim --> "the majority of th UK came to its senses in time to change their minds to an 8% majority for EU membership "

Anyhow you need to clear your head flecc, too much time spent day after day on this thread, do yourself a favour take the Leaf out for a blast round the M25.

The Leaf will thank its lucky stars it has an electric powerplant ;):rolleyes:
 

oldgroaner

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Hmmmm rowing back on this one are we, it`s now `The polls`and it`s what `two years ago`
a tad different from your original claim --> "the majority of th UK came to its senses in time to change their minds to an 8% majority for EU membership "

Anyhow you need to clear your head flecc, too much time spent day after day on this thread, do yourself a favour take the Leaf out for a blast round the M25.

The Leaf will thank its lucky stars it has an electric powerplant ;):rolleyes:
And Northern Ireland will remain in the EU tommie, arent you lucky, being run by "those unelected EU gangsters" as you put it"
 
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oldgroaner

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My word! Really??

We`ve all missed that, have you informed the House of Commons ??
Has there been a vote on this yet?
Or has it already been passed??

Amazing breaking news from our scribe stuck within the M25 bubble!

Safe to say i`ll file that alongside your other masterpiece of `Cars don`t need servicing until after 50,000 miles`:eek: or was it 55K?!! lol!

you`re a legend in your own lunchtime flecc !!

Becoming harder and harder to keep a straight face in this forum...
Yes indeed tommie, you are making us all laugh
 

oldgroaner

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How not to behave when covering complex negotiations
Never do what the Express is doing with headlines like this
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Brexit lunacy: Brussels five most outrageous trade demands unveiled by Michel Barnier

These conditions have actually been agreed previously by us with them.
 
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oldgroaner

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You can rely on this Government to remain as calm and rational when faced with a problem as Corporal Jones and as optimistic as Private Fraser in Dad's Army
Headline in the Daily Fail
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Thousands of Britons face mass coronavirus testing at GPs - as 'worst-case' Government report warns 500,000 may die in UK amid 'explosion' of infections across Europe
Watch out for Further helpful headlines along the lines of

"people on Zero hours contracts are not expected to survive the self imposed quarantine isolation without suffering minor weight loss"

"The elderly should put a note on their front door saying how many bodies to look for"
 
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oyster

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You can rely on this Government to remain as calm and rational when faced with a problem as Corporal Jones and as optimistic as Private Fraser in Dad's Army
Headline in the Daily Fail
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Thousands of Britons face mass coronavirus testing at GPs - as 'worst-case' Government report warns 500,000 may die in UK amid 'explosion' of infections across Europe
Watch out for Further helpful headlines along the lines of

"people on Zero hours contracts are not expected to survive the self imposed quarantine isolation without suffering minor weight loss"

"The elderly should put a note on their front door saying how many bodies to look for"
Now folks, how shall we handle this? The medics say keep people apart. But we think it would be much better for them all to congregate at a number of specific locations in villages (some!), towns and cities for testing. We'll then know how many have covid-12.






All of them.

Oh! So we might as well save the cost of testing as well and just tick the box All ☑

And the Fail includes this:

Haverfordwest High School in Pembrokeshire today sent three pupils home after they felt unwell following a ski trip to Modena, Italy, during half-term, the Milford Mercury reported.
 
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Haverfordwest High School in Pembrokeshire today sent three pupils home after they felt unwell following a ski trip to Modena, Italy, during half-term, the Milford Mercury reported.
If I was of school age (I can vaguely remember how much I enjoyed school) I would definitely be coughing and spluttering my way around school and waiting to be sent home :)
 

oyster

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How not to behave when covering complex negotiations
Never do what the Express is doing with headlines like this
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Brexit lunacy: Brussels five most outrageous trade demands unveiled by Michel Barnier

These conditions have actually been agreed previously by us with them.
There is one comment which demurs:

Protecting the interests of the EU bloc is not lunacy. Considering yourself so entitled as to believe the EU should just accept everything we request, is.

This is a negotiation and it isn't helped by publications like this, poisoning them with rabid headlines. It is unhelpful, IMO and sets up division between us and the EU..........but that is what this 'rag' wants, isn't it!
 
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oldgroaner

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Hmmmm rowing back on this one are we, it`s now `The polls`and it`s what `two years ago`
a tad different from your original claim --> "the majority of th UK came to its senses in time to change their minds to an 8% majority for EU membership "

Anyhow you need to clear your head flecc, too much time spent day after day on this thread, do yourself a favour take the Leaf out for a blast round the M25.

The Leaf will thank its lucky stars it has an electric powerplant ;):rolleyes:
Does anyone know what this post is supposed to mean? or is tommie still suffering from a too tight bowler hat?
 
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oldgroaner

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"the whole of the UK will suffer the EU's sanctions."

Aaahh - ha-ha-ha !!
Wishful and Thinking

Sorry to tell you but your EU ship has sailed!

"Officials in Taskforce Europe, run by Johnson’s EU negotiator David Frost, are working in secret on proposals to ensure that there do not need to be checks on goods passing from Britain to Northern Ireland.

DUP MP Sir Jeffrey Donaldson responded that his party “will welcome any measures to ensure Northern Ireland businesses continue to have unfettered access to the UK single market”.
“There is deadly serious internal work going on about not obeying the Northern Ireland protocol,” a senior source told the Sunday Times. “Taskforce Europe are looking into that. That’s why they had Suella put in there.”
Sir Jeffrey Donaldson told the News Letter that Northern Ireland is “an integral part of the UK and there should be no internal trade borders”.
He added: “Great Britain is Northern Ireland’s main market with 72% of all goods leaving Belfast port destined for Britain. An Irish Sea border will increase costs and will be bad for trade between Great Britain and Northern Ireland."


Sorry losers it`s Put up or Shut up time ;)
That's good advice tommie
Shut up, you are talking nonsense about things you don't even begin to understand, nor try to
 
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flecc

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Hmmmm rowing back on this one are we, it`s now `The polls`and it`s what `two years ago`
a tad different from your original claim --> "the majority of th UK came to its senses in time to change their minds to an 8% majority for EU membership "
No different at all, don't you understand what "consistently ever since" means? All the many polls stayed at that 8% lead over the two years, and if you'd been paying attention you'd have known that. Why do you think the remainers had been agitating for another referendum over the last two years? They knew they'd easily win it, that's why.
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flecc

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Go check your oil and diesel filters even after 15,000,
air filter will be completely blocked by then, fuel consumption will be sky high
Brake pads and shoes will be giving off a shower of sparks as they mate with the discs and drums
That loud noise will be the absence of the rotted silencer.
Most of the bulbs will have failed...etc .etc
What utter nonsense. A friend in the industry was one of a team of long term test drivers, their job to drive a new model car continuously on the road to expose any faults that might crop up in consumer use. In the main all the car would get during its circa 100,000 miles in that yearwas fuel and occasional oil top ups, plus attention when necessary to any item that did crop up, like brake pad and tyre wear. That's just one example of why the service schedules are a rip off to provide dealer income.

I don't know your age, but perhaps you remember as far back as the 1960s when there were cars with 3000 mile service intervals. The ubiquitous Mini for example, the makers insisting these were essential. Now even 15,000 miles is not uncommon, five times the mileage, so "essential" seems to change its meaning.

In the USA they don't put up with all this nonsense, hence long recommended intervals there and consumers ignoring them anyway. Here's a quote about conditions there and there are many more online:

"All cars sold in USA must be capable of staying within exhaust emissions limits for 100,000 miles without maintenance. All that's needed for the first 100,000 miles of a car's life is occasional oil changes and fluid top-ups. Plus any tyres or brake pads which wear out.

Using fully synthetic oil some tests have been done running cars to 100,000 miles with no maintenance at all (not even an oil change) - apparently without difficulty."


The reason for this is that the US dealer income model is car sales dependent in that consumer society, and America's drivers often cover very high mileages in that large country. We Europeans inconveniently cover much lower mileages and often like to keep our cars long term, meaning main dealerships have no hope of living off car sales alone. So over the years the industry and trade have developed a servicing income dependency to overcome the problem. I've seen this in action when consumer pressure prompts a manufacturer to considerably extend a service interval to gain market advantage, only to be met with a storm of protest from their dealers and the interval shortened again to placate them.

I could go on and on with this..... ever wondered why there`s an MOT? To save us from this type of dodgy business practice for a start.
Oh dear Tommie, the MOT doesn't include most service schedule items, it's confined to such safety items as brakes, steering, lights, wiper blades and washers, bodywork intact. Mechanical maintenance such as servicing for longevity isn't included.

If you'd kept up to speed on this you'd know that not long ago on sound technical advice from the industry the DfT proposed extending the MOT intervals. Their intention was the first MOT at 4 years instead of 3, then subsequent MOTs at two year intervals instead of 1 year, all very sensible. But once again there was a storm of protest from dealers with false claims that this would cause a huge rise in accidents, something long disproven.

That is what this is all about Tommie, dealer income, nothing else. Now they are facing a new very big problem, the pure electric cars which need hardly any servicing, and many secretly hate them as result. My one is typical, a very short list of things to merely look at on a service and only one actual action, unscrew the reduction box filler to check the oil level which hardly ever needs topping up anyway. Even an e-car's brakes dont wear out since the motor does most or all of the routine braking. In fact since there's so little on the service, Nissan cut the recommended price for a main dealer Leaf service to £99, but their dealers kicking up a fuss have forced it back up £125 now, a rip off for doing virtually nothing. You can see why they are upset with e-cars, ic car main dealer services come in typically at near to double that.

The current Leaf's recommended service interval is 18,000 miles, but they still say it should also be annual, despite most e-car owners taking at least two years to cover that distance, often over three years.

Once again showing its all about dealer income and not necessity.
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jonathan.agnew

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What utter nonsense. A friend in the industry was one of a team of long term test drivers, their job to drive a new model car continuously on the road to expose any faults that might crop up in consumer use. In the main all the car would get during its circa 100,000 miles in that yearwas fuel and occasional oil top ups, plus attention when necessary to any item that did crop up, like brake pad and tyre wear. That's just one example of why the service schedules are a rip off to provide dealer income.

I don't know your age, but perhaps you remember as far back as the 1960s when there were cars with 3000 mile service intervals. The ubiquitous Mini for example, the makers insisting these were essential. Now even 15,000 miles is not uncommon, five times the mileage, so "essential" seems to change its meaning.

In the USA they don't put up with all this nonsense, hence long recommended intervals there and consumers ignoring them anyway. Here's a quote about conditions there and there are many more online:

"All cars sold in USA must be capable of staying within exhaust emissions limits for 100,000 miles without maintenance. All that's needed for the first 100,000 miles of a car's life is occasional oil changes and fluid top-ups. Plus any tyres or brake pads which wear out.

Using fully synthetic oil some tests have been done running cars to 100,000 miles with no maintenance at all (not even an oil change) - apparently without difficulty."


The reason for this is that the US dealer income model is car sales dependent in that consumer society, and America's drivers often cover very high mileages in that large country. We Europeans inconveniently cover much lower mileages and often like to keep our cars long term, meaning main dealerships have no hope of living off car sales alone. So over the years the industry and trade have developed a servicing income dependency to overcome the problem. I've seen this in action when consumer pressure prompts a manufacturer to considerably extend a service interval to gain market advantage, only to be met with a storm of protest from their dealers and the interval shortened again to placate them.



Oh dear Tommie, the MOT doesn't include most service schedule items, it's confined to such safety items as brakes, steering, lights, wiper blades and washers, bodywork intact. Mechanical maintenance such as servicing for longevity isn't included.

If you'd kept up to speed on this you'd know that not long ago on sound technical advice from the industry the DfT proposed extending the MOT intervals. Their intention was the first MOT at 4 years instead of 3, then subsequent MOTs at two year intervals instead of 1 year, all very sensible. But once again there was a storm of protest from dealers with false claims that this would cause a huge rise in accidents, something long disproven.

That is what this is all about Tommie, dealer income, nothing else. Now they are facing a new very big problem, the pure electric cars which need hardly any servicing, and many secretly hate them as result. My one is typical, a very short list of things to merely look at on a service and only one actual action, unscrew the reduction box filler to check the oil level which hardly ever needs topping up anyway. Even an e-car's brakes dont wear out since the motor does most or all of the routine braking. In fact since there's so little on the service, Nissan cut the recommended price for a main dealer Leaf service to £99, but their dealers kicking up a fuss have forced it back up £125 now, a rip off for doing virtually nothing. You can see why they are upset with e-cars, ic car main dealer services come in typically at near to double that.

The current Leaf's recommended service interval is 18,000 miles, but they still say it should also be annual, despite most e-car owners taking at least two years to cover that distance, often over three years.

Once again showing its all about dealer income and not necessity.
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Before my current electric vehicle I had a little fiat on which I replaced the synthetic oil and filter every 20k miles, brake pads every 30k and had the timing belt replaced every 50k. Now on 130k miles the oh drives it and it's in rude good health. Though I think (having owned vintage cars) that dual carburettors and distributors and mineral oil probably didnt help yonks ago
 
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Before my current electric vehicle I had a little fiat on which I replaced the synthetic oil and filter every 20k miles, brake pads every 30k and had the timing belt replaced every 50k. Now on 130k miles the oh drives it and it's in rude good health. Though I think (having owned vintage cars) that dual carburettors and distributors and mineral oil probably didnt help yonks ago
Synthetic oil is definitely a big factor in reducing service frequency necessity. Those who stick to the often excessively frequent schedules can make matters worse very often since the less scrupulous dealers save a lot of money by using cheap and sometimes recycled oil on services. None of them use the best since it's so expensive. The best oil most cars ever see is what the manufacturer put in, which is in their warranty interests of course.
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oldgroaner

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You have to laugh Danger Mouse's assistant is now head of the ERG
Mark Francois what a Joke!
No wonder some of the others are deleting their past tweets!
 
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