Brexit, for once some facts.

flecc

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Levelling up UK style
Taking advantage of the lack of flying options. One can fly from Bristol to many major European cities, even Berlin, but there are no direct flights from Bristol to London. Optimum way to fly from Bristol to London Heathrow takes 3 hrs 40 mins costing £55, via Dublin!

Or slightly faster at 3 hrs 15 mins for £65, also via Dublin.

Or cheaper at £37 but taking 10hrs 30 mins changing planes at Milan!

It's a mad world we're in.
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oyster

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Taking advantage of the lack of flying options. One can fly from Bristol to many major European cities, even Berlin, but there are no direct flights from Bristol to London. Optimum way to fly from Bristol to London Heathrow takes 3 hrs 40 mins costing £55, via Dublin!

Or slightly faster at 3 hrs 15 mins for £65, also via Dublin.

Or cheaper at £37 but taking 10hrs 30 mins changing planes at Milan!

It's a mad world we're in.
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All of those seem more understandable than rail tickets (for a random weekday) running out at between £48.36 and £142.60. (Cheaper tickets may be available if you search diligently.)
 

flecc

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All of those seem more understandable than rail tickets (for a random weekday) running out at between £48.36 and £142.60. (Cheaper tickets may be available if you search diligently.)
I don't think any of it is understandable or excusable.

Bristol to London by road is 118 miles, a Roadie could cycle it unassisted in 7 hrs with a break. Possible by car in as little as two hours using about £20 of petrol, or by e-car costing under £7 worth of electricity at daytime rates, or £3 at night rates.

Yet we've got an airline offering to fly one via Milan taking 10 hrs 40 minutes for £37.

Or if that's taking too long, KLM will fly one from Bristol to London City airport in a little over 3 hrs via Amsterdam! For a mere £230.

All this flying in opposite directions only to come back again to the destination makes a nonsense of COP26.
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oyster

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And now a topical folk clype:

A fresh inquiry has opened into Boris Johnson’s relationship with Jennifer Arcuri after the US businesswoman dramatically agreed to assist officials, paving the way for the prime minister to face possible criminal investigation.

Arcuri has formally offered to help the Greater London Authority (GLA) ethics watchdog by allowing it to inspect extracts of her diary entries chronicling her affair with Johnson and agreeing to be questioned for the first time by investigators over the relationship.

 

oyster

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I'm imagining Johnson having a chortle at all the newspapers this evening/tomorrow - even "friends":

Migrant crisis puts Tories in peril

Senior figures warn PM as poll shows 77pc of Conservative voters believe Government approach to Channel crossings is 'too soft'

One Cabinet minister last week privately expressed complete disagreement with the Government's economic policy. Another minister told The Telegraph that the Government was "shot" and entirely bereft of ideas. A third said that it was like "a dead man walking" and that the Tories would probably only recover after a period in opposition.

 

oldgroaner

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I'm imagining Johnson having a chortle at all the newspapers this evening/tomorrow - even "friends":

Migrant crisis puts Tories in peril

Senior figures warn PM as poll shows 77pc of Conservative voters believe Government approach to Channel crossings is 'too soft'

One Cabinet minister last week privately expressed complete disagreement with the Government's economic policy. Another minister told The Telegraph that the Government was "shot" and entirely bereft of ideas. A third said that it was like "a dead man walking" and that the Tories would probably only recover after a period in opposition.

So 77% of the party of rogues and thieves wants more crime, this time against those that are the easiest to oppress?
What a surprise
 
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oyster

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So 77% of the party of rogues and thieves wants more crime, this time against those that are the easiest to oppress?
What a surprise
Sunday Express is in the same direction:

Despite the criticism being levelled at the prime minister, the Sunday Express says Mr Johnson still has the support of “loyal” red wall Tory MPs, who think he is the “winner” they need to lead them into the next election. Although they hint that the issue – of people crossing the Channel in small boats – needs addressing.

I suspect all too many would actually volunteer to man boats to turn round refugees' boats, damage them, let them drown. Some might even actively assist them in dying.
 
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...It all makes one question what value the vaccines have actually had...
One of the problems is that we need more data and/or independent statisticians to critically analyze what data is actually being released. And for us here, preferably for all of this to have a UK bias.

Well ... this popped up a couple of days ago. Well worth a watch!
"Analysing Covid vaccine efficiency and safety statistics"

 
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oyster

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One of the problems is that we need more data and/or independent statisticians to critically analyze what data is actually being released. And for us here, preferably for all of this to have a UK bias.

Well ... this popped up a couple of days ago. Well worth a watch!
"Analysing Covid vaccine efficiency and safety statistics"

He asserts that no-one disappears from the combined census in 2011 and GP registered in 2019 except by death.

Which seems wrong. Anyone who moved from England to another country or even another nation of the UK would be a reduction not by death.

Also, death is not the only measure of effectiveness of vaccination.

ICU is full of the unvaccinated – my patience with them is wearing thin
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Most of the resources we are devoting to Covid in hospital are being spent on people who have not had their jab

 
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flecc

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Also, death is not the only measure of effectiveness of vaccination.
It's the only reliable one.

His bias shows in his mention of smoking as a certain cause of lung disease when it's only a contributory factor in certain circumstances.
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oyster

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It's the only reliable one.
Let us consider an imaginary disease which has similarities to Covid, but never itself causes death. However, those who get it have a high probability of being very ill for a very long time. Say a year in ICU. Or six months off sick.

The impact of it could be devastating.

We must consider impacts other than death.
 

oldgroaner

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Sunday Express is in the same direction:

Despite the criticism being levelled at the prime minister, the Sunday Express says Mr Johnson still has the support of “loyal” red wall Tory MPs, who think he is the “winner” they need to lead them into the next election. Although they hint that the issue – of people crossing the Channel in small boats – needs addressing.

I suspect all too many would actually volunteer to man boats to turn round refugees' boats, damage them, let them drown. Some might even actively assist them in dying.
How easy it is for the weak minded to lapse into fascist attitudes and bury their humanity
 

flecc

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Let us consider an imaginary disease which has similarities to Covid, but never itself causes death. However, those who get it have a high probability of being very ill for a very long time. Say a year in ICU. Or six months off sick.
Tiny minorities who were always very vulnerable to all sorts of other issues.

We must consider impacts other than death.
Indeed we must, for example these majorities:

The up to 50% who don't want to accept the vaccines.

The vast majority who never catch Covid, including those unvaccinated.

The vast majority of those who catch it but suffer nothing or next to nothing.

The large numbers whose curable conditions have become terminal after their treatment was stopped for the Covid panic measures to take precedence.

This combined majority is what should concern us more than today's customary panic, hysteria and over-reaction about very small numbers with issues only related to a Covid infection, rather than caused by it.
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