Brexit, for once some facts.

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Sainsburys car park in a privileged area.. he and his wife in silence and comfort in their shiny black new Rolls Royce Phantom, registration number GB1. He bought that registration number in 2009 for £325,000, so his car and number combination at £600k+ cost over twenty times mine.. "What a prat".
I thought toffs all went to Waitrose, or so Miles Jupp says on tell-lie-vision :D
 

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I thought toffs all went to Waitrose, or so Miles Jupp says on tell-lie-vision :D
Not so. The Sainsburys I use is a superstore on the edge of the North Downs. To it's north is the large, quite affluent Warlingham middle class area. To its south is Woldingham and the North Downs Road, aka Millionaires row, so those are the clientele base.

The cut price war has moved Sainsbury's down market a bit which I don't like, so I now split some of my shop to Waitrose a little further north. But I've never seen the GB1 Roller in that Waitrose car and less of the Porsches etc that frequent that Sainsburys. Odd that it seems I think many of the wealthy are cost concious too, as the numerous recent BMWs and Range Rovers seen turning into Aldi indicate.

My position is different. I only buy the best, never look at prices and only shop at totally British supermarkets, supporting our own businesses. Hence using the best Sainburys over five miles away for my main shop, ignoring the smaller one less than two miles away. Around a quarter of my shop by value at Waitrose, and on the odd occasion of running low on something the very local small Co-op a walk away. All British through and through.
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Not so. The Sainsburys I use is a superstore on the edge of the North Downs. To it's north is the large, quite affluent Warlingham middle class area. To its south is Woldingham and the North Downs Road, aka Millionaires row, so those are the clientele base.

The cut price war has moved Sainsbury's down market a bit which I don't like, so I now split some of my shop to Waitrose a little further north. But I've never seen the GB1 Roller in that Waitrose car and less of the Porsches etc that frequent that Sainsburys. Odd that it seems I think many of the wealthy are cost concious too, as the numerous recent BMWs and Range Rovers seen turning into Aldi indicate.

My position is different. I only buy the best, never look at prices and only shop at totally British supermarkets, supporting our own businesses. Hence using the best Sainburys over five miles away for my main shop, ignoring the smaller one less than two miles away. Around a quarter of my shop by value at Waitrose, and on the odd occasion of running low on something the very local small Co-op a walk away. All British through and through.
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Ah, well, as Mickey Flanagan jokes: "you were Out out" and went to the Big Sainsburys coz they have the "nice ham, with pepper round the edge" :D
 
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any one tried to get a doctors appointment as i have now rang them 4 times on 4 different days to be told i get a call back buy 6.30 as my pain killers are running low and not phoned back.

tried again today and said id get a call back and get a msg saying i got physio march 3rd :rolleyes:

its like trying to raise the fkn titanic :D
 
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The nhs is moving to a multi-tiered system. Already if you go private, you can be better treated at your local hospital than if you don't pay. Someone I know was in that situation, her insurance pays £100 a day for nhs hotel accommodation. My dentist charges some cost to the nhs, the rest is paid by myself.
 

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The nhs is moving to a multi-tiered system. Already if you go private, you can be better treated at your local hospital than if you don't pay. Someone I know was in that situation, her insurance pays £100 a day for nhs hotel accommodation. My dentist charges some cost to the nhs, the rest is paid by myself.
And this is bound to happen more with wes streeting wanting to privatise more specialist care in NHS. Which may or may not be a good thing. But generally I have come round to sincerely hoping a boris led far right tory faction win the next election. The brexit goose is evidently not fully cooked yet. Nothing like a near death experience to make one properly kick an addiction, and we need a few more truss moments. And the alternative prospect of a sunak/starmer/streeting neoconservative clone making warm noises while turning us further into a geriatric impoverished Singapore feels unbearable.
 
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The nhs is moving to a multi-tiered system. Already if you go private, you can be better treated at your local hospital than if you don't pay. Someone I know was in that situation, her insurance pays £100 a day for nhs hotel accommodation. My dentist charges some cost to the nhs, the rest is paid by myself.
Much of London long ago moved to two tiers only, NHS or totally private. NHS often means no treatment or very long delay, 58 years for me with one condition. Private here is best in a private hospital since the NHS one is still unacceptable in so many ways, even for private treatment.

And nearly all dentists here are exclusively private, mine changed to that over thirty years ago. They can no longer be bothered with any NHS involvement at all, even to collect part payment.

As I've been saying for a long while now, outside of the very poor ambulance and A & E services, London has almost no NHS.
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And the alternative prospect of a sunak/starmer/streeting neoconservative clone making warm noises while turning us further into a geriatric impoverished Singapore feels unbearable.
Starmer is less likely to sell whatever left of public assets.
That's a good enough reason for me to prefer his team.
 

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Starmer is less likely to sell whatever left of public assets.
That's a good enough reason for me to prefer his team.
Yes, I agree, but starmer feels like palliative care when we need a defibrillator. Naturally a boris/truss govt carries enormous risk of irreparable damage, but with luck the EU will help us pick up the pieces, a bit like in post cold war east germany
 

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Sunak is the most able from to tory camp. He slowly steadies the deficit. Boris will forever be stuck to his zip wire and Truss still believes in fairies. I wonder what Boris and Truss will do if you give them a defibrillator.
 

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i dont pay anything for the nhs dentist and just got back from having another metal crown fitted :p
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had to get some new tooth paste :cool:
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UK vehicle production now at it's lowest for 66 years, so at 1956 levels which were very low.

And Ford are cutting 3200 jobs in Europe, many of them in Britain.

All pointing to what I've been predicting, a future reduction in car ownership.
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sis went to get her mobility car and was told it will be Christmas at best if wanted electric 2 year waiting list, cant get the parts as full of computers :p

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you could drill a hole in it and wear it round ur neck :p
£653,790

it will make a bloody good door stop as well but if the price keeps falling then the mines will go bust or just cut way back esp with the fuel price.

its like there doing it on purpose so it will be a 5 year wait for a electric car and the new iphone will cost 10 grand :p
 
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UK vehicle production now at it's lowest for 66 years, so at 1956 levels which were very low.

And Ford are cutting 3200 jobs in Europe, many of them in Britain.

All pointing to what I've been predicting, a future reduction in car ownership.
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Without getting into a debate (god knows, you may be right), there are caveats: its r&d posts going to USA because Biden has just upended the car industry by ploughing ginormous subsidies into US r&d for it and attracting the world and its dog into developing new cheaper evs there for the American Market. Unless the EU off course pulls their collective fingers out of their entitled overindulged corporate asses and do the same. Which will likely result in exponentially more research and better cheaper evs there too.
But not in the UK. Our car industry like almost everything here definitely is in decline (which of course isn't the same as car ownership necessarily declining in the long run in the rest of the world)
 

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Both USA and EU have subsidies for EV production.
We are too small to go for it alone.
 

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Nissan ARIYA anyone? 90kwH battery.
I wonder how much it will cost.
 

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